Originally posted by jens.w Thanks Chris! I'm on OS X too, so the profiles were easy to find (/Applications/Capture One.app/Contents/Frameworks/AppCore.framework/Resources/Profiles/Input was the full path for me). Although when I look at the profiles using the built in OS X tool (ColorSync Utility), I find that the K3 profile has a lot less tags. E.g. I don't see any black point data although the K-5 v2 profile has it (see attached screenshot).
Anyway, unfortunately I'm only a hobby photographer, so can't really say I have a calibrated work flow. Also I can't really say my eyes are trained enough to spot incorrect colors unless they're radically wrong (such as was the case when you tried to open a k3 DNG before the k3 profile was in the software). Do you have any suggestions on what type of photos to take in order to best illustrate the problem, what to look for, or how to do a comparison? I'd like to be able to see the issue with my own eyes also before I join you in raising heat at C1.
Hi Jens,
As I mentioned, the K3 generic profile is in reality the K5v2 profile with an arbitrary edit to raise the red saturation (only making it worse), and renaming it to "K3 generic".
In my posts in the Phase one forum (windows and mac section) you can read about this, and also in the windows section I posted some crops towards the end of the thread of a group portrait that contained many different colors of clothing. The shifts in colors are leading to simply wrong colors, and that affects all your images. That is why I find it simply unacceptable for Phase one, to create support with this practice of copying over profiles from a camera with a totally different sensor.
It's not that with this bad profile your images will look very bad, but the incorrect colors affect all of your images.
A good profile has the opposite effect: all colors come to life.
What is all the more unacceptable, is that Pentax seems to exclusively get this treatment by Phase one, while Olympus EM-10 gets a special mention of optimized color support, and the Nikon coolpix get's a lens profile. Yet the top class Pentax K3 doesn't seem worth profiling to Phase one at the moment.
With the K5 profile, support was very good in CO1, and it has been my favorite raw converter for years, also with the K5IIs, but this K3 generic profile is just bad. CO1 is more than worth it, and as Phase one really lets it slide if there is no demand, I decided to beat the drum on this issue with Phase one. It would be a pity if the K3 is not properly profiled, as you will never get the best out of the K3 images while knowing that all it takes is for Phase one to put a bit of effort in getting a Pentax K3 in house and profile it.
All I got so far, is: "Thanks for your information. We put great care into each profile we make. I have forwarded this to R&D and we will await their response, but cannot give you a timeline".
And on the forum something like: "Many things are going on behind the curtains (regarding profiling of cameras). All people think their camera is the best and want support, but many things are involved in supporting a camera, legally as well as politically".
What to make of that?
It's a waste of time speculating on remarks like that, the only constructive thing to do, is let Phase one know (through a support case) that you would like to pay for their software, or have paid for their software, and expect the support they advertise on their website:
"Tailor-made camera profiles Each camera is tested by our image quality experts to create a tailor-made and optimized profile to bring out the very best in your camera."
Chris