Just A Quick Question About K-3 Manual Mode

I'm A Pentaxian · 03-06-2015, 01:45 AM

Hi fellow Pentaxian.

Here is my situation on my K-3. In M mode, lets say I have everything set for example, shutter speed 1/50th of a second, f4.0, ISO 2200. Then I need to open up the aperture in certain shooting condition. After hitting the AE lock button to maintain the above set exposure, I set the aperture to f2.8. Can I set the camera to adjust the ISO instead of changing the shutter speed to compensate my locked exposure? Is kinda annoying because the D610 is perfectly fine in this matter. Oh, and please note that my K-3 is still running the first V1.0 firmware.

Cheers and so sorry for this silly question.

Edited:
Thanks sterretje. For the solution. It kinda work but still a bit hassle

Sorry if I have confused all fellow Pentaxian..... Its actually very simple and just because I am lazy and need a short cut to this.

Lets say we are in a banquet or a ball room. With a reasonable controlled lighting environment. I set my K-3 to 1/50th of a second shutter speed, Aperture f4 and ISO 2000. And with a crappy Yongnuo full manual no TTL nonsense flash. Was shooting all day and come to a scene where I need to open up the aperture for some "Bokeh", The normal procedure would be, first, drop f number, then press ISO button and compensate. Done. That is the usual steps I normally do.

This laziness came when I realize when using a Nikon D610, on M-Mode with manual ISO, I can actually AE lock the exposure and drop the Aperture, the camera will automatically compensate using ISO and by stops, not by metering with. 2 stop aperture, 2

I guess I could just use back the same old matter. Drop aperture, drop ISO. Up aperture, up ISO. No shortcuts... 2 stops down aperture, 2 stops down ISO. 2 stops up aperture, 2 stops up ISO and repeat repeat repeat and repeat.

Cheers everyone and sorry again for the confusion.

Last edited by I'm A Pentaxian; 03-06-2015 at 08:49 PM.

Steve.Ledger · 03-06-2015, 01:51 AM

TAv

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I'm A Pentaxian · 03-06-2015, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

TAv

....

Hi Steve.

I notice the TAv mode. But it doesn't work. The ISO flies around like nobody business and when I hit the AE lock and adjust the aperture, the camera still compensate with the shutter speed.

The reason why I don't want ISO to be auto is because I am using manual flash. And auto ISO kinda make the pictures' exposure not consistent.

Cheers.....

grispie · 03-06-2015, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian

Can I set the camera to adjust the ISO instead of changing the shutter speed to compensate my locked exposure?

I think you can,
try the e-dials (if thats the name..) programming in the menu for the M mode, adjust P-line to (hopefully) "iso shift"
I'm no expert on this, but if it is possible, i think thats where you should be looking for it.

I'm A Pentaxian · 03-06-2015, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by grispie

I think you can,
try the e-dials (if thats the name..) programming in the menu for the M mode, adjust P-line to (hopefully) "iso shift"
I'm no expert on this, but if it is possible, i think thats where you should be looking for it.

Hi grispie..... Thanks alot for the info, Will try it out as soon as I can

Have a great day mate...

grispie · 03-06-2015, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian

I notice the TAv mode. But it doesn't work. The ISO flies around like nobody business and when I hit the AE lock and adjust the aperture, the camera still compensate with the shutter speed.

i think (!!) that in the same menu, for TAV mode, you might also be able to change the behavior of the camera. But i'm really not home in this department. i just noticed you can play a lot in that menu...

I'm A Pentaxian · 03-06-2015, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by grispie

i think (!!) that in the same menu, for TAV mode, you might also be able to change the behavior of the camera. But i'm really not home in this department. i just noticed you can play a lot in that menu...

Hi grispie.

I tried what you said earlier on a K-30 and its not working. Unless if the K-3's menu has a differ option from the K-30, not too sure.

What I don't like about TAv mode when using manual external flash is that the ISO keeps flying around depending on the metering. Is awesome when not using flash. But in my case, is quite annoying. But when I hit the AE Lock, and open up my aperture, the shutter speed changes and not the ISO...... Arrrggg.... How come something this simple can be so difficult. Same goes to M mode.... Surprisingly the D610 does what I want.

Cheers......

grispie · 03-06-2015, 03:33 AM

What i did yesterday e.g. is: for the M mode in the dial programming, i changed the P line (for measuring with m lenses) to shutter shift instead of iso shift.
Meaning, when i push the green button, and it sets the right exposure, i can choose whether it does that with the shutter or with the iso.

In your case, fixing exposure with AE, & then overruling it, i'd think you'd also be able to choose how the camera should compensate, somwhere in that menu :-)

But i'm really no expert in this, nor do i have the camera with me.
There must be more knowledgable people on this forum...

Steve.Ledger · 03-06-2015, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian

Hi grispie.

I tried what you said earlier on a K-30 and its not working. Unless if the K-3's menu has a differ option from the K-30, not too sure.

What I don't like about TAv mode when using manual external flash is that the ISO keeps flying around depending on the metering. Is awesome when not using flash. But in my case, is quite annoying. But when I hit the AE Lock, and open up my aperture, the shutter speed changes and not the ISO...... Arrrggg.... How come something this simple can be so difficult. Same goes to M mode.... Surprisingly the D610 does what I want.

Cheers......

D610 sounds very odd indeed...

Prakticant · 03-06-2015, 05:02 AM

Did you check the menu Auto AV Compensation On/Off?

Al_Kahollick · 03-06-2015, 05:31 AM

Doesn't changing one of the settings after you lock exposure cancel out said exposure lock?

In the Auto ISO setup screen you can change the Auto ISO parameter to "slow, normal, or fast", perhaps that would help?

sterretje · 03-06-2015, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian

After hitting the AE lock button to maintain the above set exposure, I set the aperture to f2.8. Can I set the camera to adjust the ISO instead of changing the shutter speed to compensate my locked exposure?

Is above not in contradiction with below ?? You want auto-iso above but you don't want it below; I'm probably missing something

Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian

The reason why I don't want ISO to be auto is because I am using manual flash. And auto ISO kinda make the pictures' exposure not consistent.

I totally agree that you don't want auto-iso with (manual) flash.

Oldbayrunner · 03-06-2015, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian

Hi fellow Pentaxian.

Here is my situation on my K-3. In M mode, lets say I have everything set for example, shutter speed 1/50th of a second, f4.0, ISO 2200. Then I need to open up the aperture in certain shooting condition. After hitting the AE lock button to maintain the above set exposure, I set the aperture to f2.8. Can I set the camera to adjust the ISO instead of changing the shutter speed to compensate my locked exposure? Is kinda annoying because the D610 is perfectly fine in this matter. Oh, and please note that my K-3 is still running the first V1.0 firmware.

Cheers and so sorry for this silly question.

Ok maybe I'm dense, If you are in M mode how on earth would any of your exposure settings change without your manually adjusting them? Also to me it seems rather redundant to use AEL in M mode. In M mode if you change from the original metering your exposure metering can change regardless if your using Ael or not but your exposure adjustment settings will not change unless you manually adjust any of them to compensate for any change afaik.

grispie · 03-06-2015, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by Oldbayrunner

Ok maybe I'm dense, If you are in M mode how on earth are any of your exposure settings changing without your manually adjusting them? Also to me it seems rather redundant to use AEL in M mode

that was also my thought at first. But i can imagine in a shoot, one sets the exposure manually & then for creative things or whatever one wants to change aperture up & down.e.g.
& I think he wants the camera to just automatically compensate back to the original exposure setting without having to fiddle himself. Hence AE.

But the camera chooses iso to compensate back. I think he wants it to use shutter.
Sure it must be possible.

---------- Post added 03-06-15 at 03:26 PM ----------

Originally posted by sterretje

I totally agree that you don't want auto-iso with (manual) flash.

is it not an option then to use Av mode & put the auto iso range from "100 to 100"?

sterretje · 03-06-2015, 07:27 AM

I think I found a solution / workaround using Tv (which actually is what your describing). Set the camera e-dial programming for Tv to control the shutter speed with one dial and the ISO with the other.

So you set your shutter speed directly and set aperture and iso using the other dial; you can use exposure compensation to set the aperture keeping the ISO constant. Fix the exposure with AE-L and next you can vary aperture by affecting the iso.

03-06-2015, 01:45 AM	#1
I'm A Pentaxian New Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 15	Just A Quick Question About K-3 Manual Mode Hi fellow Pentaxian. Here is my situation on my K-3. In M mode, lets say I have everything set for example, shutter speed 1/50th of a second, f4.0, ISO 2200. Then I need to open up the aperture in certain shooting condition. After hitting the AE lock button to maintain the above set exposure, I set the aperture to f2.8. Can I set the camera to adjust the ISO instead of changing the shutter speed to compensate my locked exposure? Is kinda annoying because the D610 is perfectly fine in this matter. Oh, and please note that my K-3 is still running the first V1.0 firmware. Cheers and so sorry for this silly question. Edited: Thanks sterretje. For the solution. It kinda work but still a bit hassle Sorry if I have confused all fellow Pentaxian..... Its actually very simple and just because I am lazy and need a short cut to this. Lets say we are in a banquet or a ball room. With a reasonable controlled lighting environment. I set my K-3 to 1/50th of a second shutter speed, Aperture f4 and ISO 2000. And with a crappy Yongnuo full manual no TTL nonsense flash. Was shooting all day and come to a scene where I need to open up the aperture for some "Bokeh", The normal procedure would be, first, drop f number, then press ISO button and compensate. Done. That is the usual steps I normally do. This laziness came when I realize when using a Nikon D610, on M-Mode with manual ISO, I can actually AE lock the exposure and drop the Aperture, the camera will automatically compensate using ISO and by stops, not by metering with. 2 stop aperture, 2 I guess I could just use back the same old matter. Drop aperture, drop ISO. Up aperture, up ISO. No shortcuts... 2 stops down aperture, 2 stops down ISO. 2 stops up aperture, 2 stops up ISO and repeat repeat repeat and repeat. Cheers everyone and sorry again for the confusion. Last edited by I'm A Pentaxian; 03-06-2015 at 08:49 PM.

03-06-2015, 06:52 AM	#13
Oldbayrunner Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian Hi fellow Pentaxian. Here is my situation on my K-3. In M mode, lets say I have everything set for example, shutter speed 1/50th of a second, f4.0, ISO 2200. Then I need to open up the aperture in certain shooting condition. After hitting the AE lock button to maintain the above set exposure, I set the aperture to f2.8. Can I set the camera to adjust the ISO instead of changing the shutter speed to compensate my locked exposure? Is kinda annoying because the D610 is perfectly fine in this matter. Oh, and please note that my K-3 is still running the first V1.0 firmware. Cheers and so sorry for this silly question. Ok maybe I'm dense, If you are in M mode how on earth would any of your exposure settings change without your manually adjusting them? Also to me it seems rather redundant to use AEL in M mode. In M mode if you change from the original metering your exposure metering can change regardless if your using Ael or not but your exposure adjustment settings will not change unless you manually adjust any of them to compensate for any change afaik. Last edited by Oldbayrunner; 03-06-2015 at 07:17 AM.

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03-06-2015, 01:51 AM	#2
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	TAv ....

03-06-2015, 01:57 AM	#3
I'm A Pentaxian New Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 15 Original Poster	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger TAv .... Hi Steve. I notice the TAv mode. But it doesn't work. The ISO flies around like nobody business and when I hit the AE lock and adjust the aperture, the camera still compensate with the shutter speed. The reason why I don't want ISO to be auto is because I am using manual flash. And auto ISO kinda make the pictures' exposure not consistent. Cheers.....

03-06-2015, 02:29 AM	#4
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian Can I set the camera to adjust the ISO instead of changing the shutter speed to compensate my locked exposure? I think you can, try the e-dials (if thats the name..) programming in the menu for the M mode, adjust P-line to (hopefully) "iso shift" I'm no expert on this, but if it is possible, i think thats where you should be looking for it.

03-06-2015, 02:31 AM	#5
I'm A Pentaxian New Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 15 Original Poster	Originally posted by grispie I think you can, try the e-dials (if thats the name..) programming in the menu for the M mode, adjust P-line to (hopefully) "iso shift" I'm no expert on this, but if it is possible, i think thats where you should be looking for it. Hi grispie..... Thanks alot for the info, Will try it out as soon as I can Have a great day mate...

03-06-2015, 02:38 AM	#6
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian I notice the TAv mode. But it doesn't work. The ISO flies around like nobody business and when I hit the AE lock and adjust the aperture, the camera still compensate with the shutter speed. i think (!!) that in the same menu, for TAV mode, you might also be able to change the behavior of the camera. But i'm really not home in this department. i just noticed you can play a lot in that menu...

03-06-2015, 02:44 AM	#7
I'm A Pentaxian New Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 15 Original Poster	Originally posted by grispie i think (!!) that in the same menu, for TAV mode, you might also be able to change the behavior of the camera. But i'm really not home in this department. i just noticed you can play a lot in that menu... Hi grispie. I tried what you said earlier on a K-30 and its not working. Unless if the K-3's menu has a differ option from the K-30, not too sure. What I don't like about TAv mode when using manual external flash is that the ISO keeps flying around depending on the metering. Is awesome when not using flash. But in my case, is quite annoying. But when I hit the AE Lock, and open up my aperture, the shutter speed changes and not the ISO...... Arrrggg.... How come something this simple can be so difficult. Same goes to M mode.... Surprisingly the D610 does what I want. Cheers......

03-06-2015, 03:33 AM	#8
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	What i did yesterday e.g. is: for the M mode in the dial programming, i changed the P line (for measuring with m lenses) to shutter shift instead of iso shift. Meaning, when i push the green button, and it sets the right exposure, i can choose whether it does that with the shutter or with the iso. In your case, fixing exposure with AE, & then overruling it, i'd think you'd also be able to choose how the camera should compensate, somwhere in that menu :-) But i'm really no expert in this, nor do i have the camera with me. There must be more knowledgable people on this forum...

03-06-2015, 03:34 AM	#9
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian Hi grispie. I tried what you said earlier on a K-30 and its not working. Unless if the K-3's menu has a differ option from the K-30, not too sure. What I don't like about TAv mode when using manual external flash is that the ISO keeps flying around depending on the metering. Is awesome when not using flash. But in my case, is quite annoying. But when I hit the AE Lock, and open up my aperture, the shutter speed changes and not the ISO...... Arrrggg.... How come something this simple can be so difficult. Same goes to M mode.... Surprisingly the D610 does what I want. Cheers...... D610 sounds very odd indeed...

03-06-2015, 05:02 AM	#10
Prakticant Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 274	Did you check the menu Auto AV Compensation On/Off?

03-06-2015, 05:31 AM	#11
Al_Kahollick Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 390	Doesn't changing one of the settings *after* you lock exposure cancel out said exposure lock? In the Auto ISO setup screen you can change the Auto ISO parameter to "slow, normal, or fast", perhaps that would help?

03-06-2015, 06:46 AM	#12
sterretje Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Roodepoort, South Africa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,561	Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian After hitting the AE lock button to maintain the above set exposure, I set the aperture to f2.8. Can I set the camera to adjust the ISO instead of changing the shutter speed to compensate my locked exposure? Is above not in contradiction with below ?? You want auto-iso above but you don't want it below; I'm probably missing something Originally posted by I'm A Pentaxian The reason why I don't want ISO to be auto is because I am using manual flash. And auto ISO kinda make the pictures' exposure not consistent. I totally agree that you don't want auto-iso with (manual) flash.

03-06-2015, 07:17 AM	#14
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by Oldbayrunner Ok maybe I'm dense, If you are in M mode how on earth are any of your exposure settings changing without your manually adjusting them? Also to me it seems rather redundant to use AEL in M mode that was also my thought at first. But i can imagine in a shoot, one sets the exposure manually & then for creative things or whatever one wants to change aperture up & down.e.g. & I think he wants the camera to just automatically compensate back to the original exposure setting without having to fiddle himself. Hence AE. But the camera chooses iso to compensate back. I think he wants it to use shutter. Sure it must be possible. ---------- Post added 03-06-15 at 03:26 PM ---------- Originally posted by sterretje I totally agree that you don't want auto-iso with (manual) flash. is it not an option then to use Av mode & put the auto iso range from "100 to 100"?

03-06-2015, 07:27 AM	#15
sterretje Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Roodepoort, South Africa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,561	I think I found a solution / workaround using Tv (which actually is what your describing). Set the camera e-dial programming for Tv to control the shutter speed with one dial and the ISO with the other. So you set your shutter speed directly and set aperture and iso using the other dial; you can use exposure compensation to set the aperture keeping the ISO constant. Fix the exposure with AE-L and next you can vary aperture by affecting the iso.