Flash or No Flash

**Rondec** · 05-02-2015, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Dlanor Sekao

You have a very valid point that made me stop and think about the next time I use comments like the references to the HociR and 2kraM , or joking about Spaceship landing lights. I have Pre-Ordered the K3II and cant wait to get my hands on it.
Im not at all offended by Ricoh being plastered on my cameras somewhere and actually see it as kinda nice because my Ricoh legacy lenses seem to fit in better overall with a Pentax branded body.
It was only because of the huge backlash here I "learned" that jumping on the Discontent and Bashing bandwagon seemed to be so acceptable.
Figured it was proper etiquette to jump on the bandwagon to be shall I say more "accepted" and "correct" here on the Forum so at times sorta emulated some of the outspoken unhappy members here , without thinking at all about the consequences long term.
Hmmmm....thinking....thinking..... Thanks !

It really is OK for people to bash cameras that they don't like, I just personally haven't ever seen much point in it. If Pentax releases a camera I am not interested in buying, then that's that. I have enough gear otherwise.

The only time it bothers me is when I see a camera with potential (the K-01 is the best example) and Pentax abandons it as a concept because everyone is so negative on it. I just always felt that the K-02 could have been a great camera if Pentax stuck with it and made some adjustments. But I think that line is dead.

I guess in the end the internet is about polarization and stating arguments for or against something more and more strongly over time.

Dlanor Sekao · 05-02-2015, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

...... or The Husbands' Lament: "I spoke (or acted), therefore I'm wrong".

Doubt I will ever have that problem...have to be one first !....ROFLOL...LOL...

stevebrot · 05-03-2015, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

...... or The Husbands' Lament: "I spoke (or acted), therefore I'm wrong".

...or at least I think I am wrong...

Steve

stevebrot · 05-03-2015, 02:03 PM - **6 Likes**

Originally posted by Rondec

It really is OK for people to bash cameras that they don't like, I just personally haven't ever seen much point in it. If Pentax releases a camera I am not interested in buying, then that's that. I have enough gear otherwise.

I agree. I think most of the bashing on this site falls into four broad categories (smaller first):

Those whose purchase did not perform to their expectations and who sing one song year after year at top volume describing the P.O.S. product, even long after the product EOL
The "Not For Me so Not for Anybody" group mentioned above
Those who purchased Pentax cameras and lenses and who are embarrassed at having bought into a system that does not promptly match the competitor's features point by point at 80% of the price/size/weight.
Those who cherry pick the features across brands available at all price points, find that 85% are met with a Pentax product at their price point, and who whine for years that Pentax is slow to implement the remaining 15% to result in the "perfect" camera. Never mind that the desired mix is generally not available in any brand at any price point. A common characteristic of this group is the assertion that the feature could be added at zero cost as a firmware update.

Anyone noting a thread of narcissism wending through all four groups would not be incorrect.

Steve

Last edited by stevebrot; 05-04-2015 at 01:30 PM.

**clackers** · 05-03-2015, 03:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

I agree. I think most the bashing on this site falls into four broad categories...

This should be a sticky! :-)

View Poll Results: How important is the on-board flash?
I would consider buying the K-3 II regardless of whether or not it has a flash	163	65.20%
I may buy the K-3 II, but the lack of a flash is discouraging	59	23.60%
I would not buy the K-3 II because it lacks a flash	28	11.20%
Voters: 250. You may not vote on this poll

05-03-2015, 02:03 PM - 6 Likes	#184
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Rondec It really is OK for people to bash cameras that they don't like, I just personally haven't ever seen much point in it. If Pentax releases a camera I am not interested in buying, then that's that. I have enough gear otherwise. I agree. I think most of the bashing on this site falls into four broad categories (smaller first): Those whose purchase did not perform to their expectations and who sing one song year after year at top volume describing the P.O.S. product, even long after the product EOL The "Not For Me so Not for Anybody" group mentioned above Those who purchased Pentax cameras and lenses and who are embarrassed at having bought into a system that does not promptly match the competitor's features point by point at 80% of the price/size/weight. Those who cherry pick the features across brands available at all price points, find that 85% are met with a Pentax product at their price point, and who whine for years that Pentax is slow to implement the remaining 15% to result in the "perfect" camera. Never mind that the desired mix is generally not available in any brand at any price point. A common characteristic of this group is the assertion that the feature could be added at zero cost as a firmware update. Anyone noting a thread of narcissism wending through all four groups would not be incorrect. Steve Last edited by stevebrot; 05-04-2015 at 01:30 PM.

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05-02-2015, 05:11 PM	#181
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by Dlanor Sekao You have a very valid point that made me stop and think about the next time I use comments like the references to the HociR and 2kraM , or joking about Spaceship landing lights. I have Pre-Ordered the K3II and cant wait to get my hands on it. Im not at all offended by Ricoh being plastered on my cameras somewhere and actually see it as kinda nice because my Ricoh legacy lenses seem to fit in better overall with a Pentax branded body. It was only because of the huge backlash here I "learned" that jumping on the Discontent and Bashing bandwagon seemed to be so acceptable. Figured it was proper etiquette to jump on the bandwagon to be shall I say more "accepted" and "correct" here on the Forum so at times sorta emulated some of the outspoken unhappy members here , without thinking at all about the consequences long term. Hmmmm....thinking....thinking..... Thanks ! It really is OK for people to bash cameras that they don't like, I just personally haven't ever seen much point in it. If Pentax releases a camera I am not interested in buying, then that's that. I have enough gear otherwise. The only time it bothers me is when I see a camera with potential (the K-01 is the best example) and Pentax abandons it as a concept because everyone is so negative on it. I just always felt that the K-02 could have been a great camera if Pentax stuck with it and made some adjustments. But I think that line is dead. I guess in the end the internet is about polarization and stating arguments for or against something more and more strongly over time.

05-02-2015, 07:00 PM	#182
Dlanor Sekao Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,457	Originally posted by Parallax ...... or The Husbands' Lament: "I spoke (or acted), therefore I'm wrong". Doubt I will ever have that problem...have to be one first !....ROFLOL...LOL...

05-03-2015, 01:35 PM	#183
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Parallax ...... or The Husbands' Lament: "I spoke (or acted), therefore I'm wrong". ...or at least I think I am wrong... Steve

05-03-2015, 03:55 PM - 1 Like	#185
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by stevebrot I agree. I think most the bashing on this site falls into four broad categories... This should be a sticky! :-)