K3ii in the studio

tariq · 04-25-2015, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Edgar_in_Indy

So to use the feature, the camera needs to be on a tripod, and the subject needs to be still. Besides landscape shooting, the other most obvious application where you would have a tripod and a still subject would be product photography.

It's a shame if Pentax doesn't implement a feature to allow adjustment of the time between exposure shifts, so that flashes can recycle.

It's notable that the first shot on the Pentax sample page that uses Pixel Shift was taken at 1/200 sec. I'm not sure what to make of that as it's clearly fast enough to have been taken hand held. Perhaps the tripod stipulation by Pentax is just a general recommendation for best results but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

D1N0 · 04-25-2015, 09:32 AM

Just use continuous lighting with longer shutter times to shoot low ISO. The camera needs to be on a tripod anyway.

rburgoss · 04-25-2015, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

What he said. Only the first two of the example photos were done with PSR turned on. That being the case, I think it speaks highly for the K-3 native resolution without PSR.

Steve

Exactly. The K-3 native resolution is such that its the only camera I've seen that can separate pro glass from consumer level optics without the need of a loupe or by pixel peeping. PSR may be nice to have, but only if you plan to face medium format "in studio" product shots or still landscapes "a la Ansel Adams" style.

Few weeks ago I posted this example of K-3 resolution, paired with the FA*200/2.8 lens: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/77477-f-fa-club-36.html#post3188704

tariq · 04-25-2015, 11:11 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by D1N0

Just use continuous lighting with longer shutter times to shoot low ISO. The camera needs to be on a tripod anyway.

Continuous lighting in the studio is not going to be an option for those of us who own $1000's in strobe equipment. To go this route, one would need to invest in entirely new lighting. My comment was more of a general remark as to the possible viability of using the Pixel Shift mode out of the studio at higher shutter speeds (given that one of the test shots was taken at 1/200 sec.). If this feature does work at 1/200 sec. it's going to be interesting to compare results on and off a tripod.

Edgar_in_Indy · 04-25-2015, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by tariq

Continuous lighting in the studio is not going to be an option for those of us who own $1000's in strobe equipment. To go this route, one would need to invest in entirely new lighting. My comment was more of a general remark as to the possible viability of using the Pixel Shift mode out of the studio at higher shutter speeds (given that one of the test shots was taken at 1/200 sec.). If this feature does work at 1/200 sec. it's going to be interesting to compare results on and off a tripod.

Very well put. I'm not setup for continuous lighting, and besides that I would like to be able to go back and forth between regular mode and pixel shift without changing lighting or camera settings.

CNunez · 04-26-2015, 03:24 AM

If they do it like olympus, then you can set a delay between shots say 1 sec to allow flash to charge inbetween shots.

Look up tony northrup on youtube his hi res video.

I can only imagine pentax will do the same.

If this feature gets incorporated into the FF body, it will be an absolute game changer.

Edgar_in_Indy · 04-26-2015, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by CNunez

If this feature gets incorporated into the FF body, it will be an absolute game changer.

With Sony and Pentax offering IS in a FF body, it will be interesting to see if Nikon or Canon ever cave on sensor stabilization.

CNunez · 04-26-2015, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by Edgar_in_Indy

With Sony and Pentax offering IS in a FF body, it will be interesting to see if Nikon or Canon ever cave on sensor stabilization.

Somehow I don't see it ever happening. Unless the market changes drastically with studio features like this.

bobell69 · 04-26-2015, 08:26 AM

I am somewhat confused with the the announcement of the Pentax 3 II by Ricoh. They have indicated that the important "changes that will benefit sports, studio, available-light and astrophotographers, as well as those who just want their photos geotagged". So what is the real benefit for studio work other than the removal of the flash? Is there something regarding the flash removal that has not as yet been announced, but will be available via a firmware update? There has to be more than just the removal of the onboard flash.

Edgar_in_Indy · 04-26-2015, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by bobell69

I am somewhat confused with the the announcement of the Pentax 3 II by Ricoh. They have indicated that the important "changes that will benefit sports, studio, available-light and astrophotographers, as well as those who just want their photos geotagged". So what is the real benefit for studio work other than the removal of the flash? Is there something regarding the flash removal that has not as yet been announced, but will be available via a firmware update? There has to be more than just the removal of the onboard flash.

Well, I guess it would have to be the pixel shift resolution enhancement, assuming the studio is being used to photograph still subjects, and assuming Pentax implements a feature that spaces out the exposures to allow the flashes enough time to recycle.

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04-25-2015, 06:34 AM	#16
tariq New Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 19	Originally posted by Edgar_in_Indy So to use the feature, the camera needs to be on a tripod, and the subject needs to be still. Besides landscape shooting, the other most obvious application where you would have a tripod and a still subject would be product photography. It's a shame if Pentax doesn't implement a feature to allow adjustment of the time between exposure shifts, so that flashes can recycle. It's notable that the first shot on the Pentax sample page that uses Pixel Shift was taken at 1/200 sec. I'm not sure what to make of that as it's clearly fast enough to have been taken hand held. Perhaps the tripod stipulation by Pentax is just a general recommendation for best results but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

04-25-2015, 09:32 AM	#17
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Just use continuous lighting with longer shutter times to shoot low ISO. The camera needs to be on a tripod anyway.

04-25-2015, 09:45 AM	#18
rburgoss Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Jose, Costa Rica Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 972	Originally posted by stevebrot What he said. Only the first two of the example photos were done with PSR turned on. That being the case, I think it speaks highly for the K-3 native resolution without PSR. Steve Exactly. The K-3 native resolution is such that its the only camera I've seen that can separate pro glass from consumer level optics without the need of a loupe or by pixel peeping. PSR may be nice to have, but only if you plan to face medium format "in studio" product shots or still landscapes "a la Ansel Adams" style. Few weeks ago I posted this example of K-3 resolution, paired with the FA*200/2.8 lens: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/122-lens-clubs/77477-f-fa-club-36.html#post3188704

04-25-2015, 11:11 AM - 1 Like	#19
tariq New Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 19	Originally posted by D1N0 Just use continuous lighting with longer shutter times to shoot low ISO. The camera needs to be on a tripod anyway. Continuous lighting in the studio is not going to be an option for those of us who own $1000's in strobe equipment. To go this route, one would need to invest in entirely new lighting. My comment was more of a general remark as to the possible viability of using the Pixel Shift mode out of the studio at higher shutter speeds (given that one of the test shots was taken at 1/200 sec.). If this feature does work at 1/200 sec. it's going to be interesting to compare results on and off a tripod.

04-25-2015, 11:14 AM	#20
Edgar_in_Indy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,685	Originally posted by tariq Continuous lighting in the studio is not going to be an option for those of us who own $1000's in strobe equipment. To go this route, one would need to invest in entirely new lighting. My comment was more of a general remark as to the possible viability of using the Pixel Shift mode out of the studio at higher shutter speeds (given that one of the test shots was taken at 1/200 sec.). If this feature does work at 1/200 sec. it's going to be interesting to compare results on and off a tripod. Very well put. I'm not setup for continuous lighting, and besides that I would like to be able to go back and forth between regular mode and pixel shift without changing lighting or camera settings.

04-26-2015, 03:24 AM	#21
CNunez Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 168	If they do it like olympus, then you can set a delay between shots say 1 sec to allow flash to charge inbetween shots. Look up tony northrup on youtube his hi res video. I can only imagine pentax will do the same. If this feature gets incorporated into the FF body, it will be an absolute game changer.

04-26-2015, 03:43 AM	#22
Edgar_in_Indy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,685	Originally posted by CNunez If this feature gets incorporated into the FF body, it will be an absolute game changer. With Sony and Pentax offering IS in a FF body, it will be interesting to see if Nikon or Canon ever cave on sensor stabilization.

04-26-2015, 03:53 AM	#23
CNunez Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 168	Originally posted by Edgar_in_Indy With Sony and Pentax offering IS in a FF body, it will be interesting to see if Nikon or Canon ever cave on sensor stabilization. Somehow I don't see it ever happening. Unless the market changes drastically with studio features like this.

04-26-2015, 08:26 AM	#24
bobell69 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Courtenay BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 498	I am somewhat confused with the the announcement of the Pentax 3 II by Ricoh. They have indicated that the important "changes that will benefit sports, studio, available-light and astrophotographers, as well as those who just want their photos geotagged". So what is the real benefit for studio work other than the removal of the flash? Is there something regarding the flash removal that has not as yet been announced, but will be available via a firmware update? There has to be more than just the removal of the onboard flash.

04-26-2015, 09:16 AM	#25
Edgar_in_Indy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,685	Originally posted by bobell69 I am somewhat confused with the the announcement of the Pentax 3 II by Ricoh. They have indicated that the important "changes that will benefit sports, studio, available-light and astrophotographers, as well as those who just want their photos geotagged". So what is the real benefit for studio work other than the removal of the flash? Is there something regarding the flash removal that has not as yet been announced, but will be available via a firmware update? There has to be more than just the removal of the onboard flash. Well, I guess it would have to be the pixel shift resolution enhancement, assuming the studio is being used to photograph still subjects, and assuming Pentax implements a feature that spaces out the exposures to allow the flashes enough time to recycle.