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10-20-2013, 04:30 PM   #241
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Especially so since they have used mechanical SR it their previous models and it worked well. The change to a bad implementation of software SR really does defy all logic.

QuoteOriginally posted by JohnnyXD Quote
I still don't know why Pentax used electronic SR, because it makes the video rubish. Much better with the SR off!

Strange, because when you use the live view mode, the SR is absolutely amazing and you wonder why it's so difficult to use it on video as well, especially when other brands do it.


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Is there any real need to use SR [at all] in movie mode? In camera SR is always a compromise whether it's mechanical or not.
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QuoteOriginally posted by sledger Quote
Is there any real need to use SR [at all] in movie mode? In camera SR is always a compromise whether it's mechanical or not.
I don't do much video, but I've been quite impressed by the K-5's SR. I think the need is quite real when doing hand held video!
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So far it looks to me (in sweeping through this 17 page thread) that the evidence for Movie SR being electronic, and the only SR option available on the K-3, is limited to assessing video examples from just one pre-production camera. And from another thread where K-3 image samples from the same site were discussed, I think the firmware involved was as early as v0.35.

Unless I have missed something, that's not much to go on in drawing conclusions about how the SR in K-3 video will work and look in a production camera.


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I tend to shoot with monopod anyway if i plan to shoot video. Even tripod. So how does this affect my shooting?
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It affects your shooting regardless because traditionally with Pentax software SR the sensor image remains permanently cropped even if SR is off. As such you will lose fov on all wide angle lenses.
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Ayoh are you implying that with mechanical SR the sensor image isn't cropped?
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you seem to know a whole lot about this camera, even that there is quite few examples out there with 1.00 firmware.

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QuoteOriginally posted by sledger Quote
Ayoh are you implying that with mechanical SR the sensor image isn't cropped?
That is true. If you shoot video with the K5, whether or not the SR is on, the image is not cropped, while on the K-01 and K30 it is always cropped, whether or not the SR is on. But the mechanical SR provides a much better appearing video result.
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So, tell me - how does the K-5 shoot 1080p or 720p if the sensor image is not cropped?
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QuoteOriginally posted by sledger Quote
So, tell me - how does the K-5 shoot 1080p or 720p if the sensor image is not cropped?
K-5 does have approx. 5000 pixels on the long side. When shooting 1080p video, every 5th pixel is used for video and the remaing pixels is ignored.
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QuoteOriginally posted by StigVidar Quote
K-5 does have approx. 5000 pixels on the long side. When shooting 1080p video, every 5th pixel is used for video and the remaing pixels is ignored.
1080p refers to the short side.
And where do you get your precise information from?
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The change to a bad implementation of software SR really does defy all logic.
I see where you are coming from, but at least it could be argued that the software SR is silent (whereas the hardware SR isn't).

What defies all logic to me is that they made the button layout on the D-BG5 different to that on the K-3. This is a joke, only its not funny. I get that they don't have the width on the grip to exactly replicate the camera layout, but instead of moving just one of the buttons, all three (AF, AE-L, green) move around relative to the rear wheel.
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The hardware SR is silent on the K-7. Are you saying it makes a noise in the K-5?

And talking about the grip button placement is off-topic I think.
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Is there any real need to use SR [at all] in movie mode? In camera SR is always a compromise whether it's mechanical or not.
Here's an example of how SR is useful. The camera on the outside of the car is a Pentax Q. The camera on the inside of the car is a Panasonic LX-7, also with image stabilization.


The outside shots are nice and stable despite the movement and the road surface irregularities. Fast forward to 3:40 and look in the upper right corner by the logo and you will see the top of the car's B-pillar shift left and right as SR thinks that it needs to compensate for the bend in the road.

And here's an example of the K-01


This is handheld with the DA21 (at ISO3200 in low light BTW) and the K-01 and SR did an admirable job.

In both of these cases, SR (mechanical or digital or otherwise) saved my hide. This footage would have been all but unusable without SR, and I'll have to wait and see how the K-3 performs. The thing about video is that it is so exacting; one minor flaw at a critical moment can ruin a shot.
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