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11-01-2013, 08:10 PM   #316
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mutters Quote
That's correct, but you can set the AF/AE-L button to focus during video.
It's a really bad implementation, but it's there.

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From some other threads, it appears the K-3 has a similar AF control implementation as the K-01 -- i.e., push a button to AF on command only, but continuous AF is not supported.

I'm still hopeful someone will soon comment further on the details of that implementation, such as AF speed, hunting, AF point indication, etc, as well as the quality/responsiveness of the focus peaking.

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I think that we all got ahead of ourselves and once we saw the headphone jack we started to hope (a bit unrealistically, in retrospect) that Pentax was going to leapfrog all others in one fell swoop and render a K-3 that was a major leap forward. Alas, that doesn't appear to be the case. Pentax has taken some solid steps like the aforementioned headphone jack (something that took Panasonic 4+ years and 3 generations to get into their GH cameras), manual video control, etc, but some of the specs are dubious. I'm going to hold my breath a little bit longer until mine comes and see what we've got. I never expected it to supplant my GH2s, but if it does serviceable candid video then I'll be satisfied. I think...
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I'm hoping the video will be good enough and not a step backwards. I'm hoping the stabilization will be effective. Canikon don't have sensor shift and they have been doing fine. In a few days we should know more about the video. Please keep posting your feedback. It is greatly appreciated by those who don't have one yet and thank you.
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Well they (C/N) use in-lens stabilization.

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I'm still hopeful someone will soon comment further on the details of that implementation, such as AF speed, hunting, AF point indication, etc, as well as the quality/responsiveness of the focus peaking.
AF speed during video is slooooow, whether with screwdrive, SDM, or Sigma HSM lenses. Press and hold the AF button and it refocuses a tiny bit, pause, a tiny bit more, pause, a long sloooow refocus. Better to manually pull the focus (at least with this firmware 1.00)! Oddly enough, AF during live view (not recording) is speedy quick and has lots of CDAF options!

Focus peaking is active during video recording (Not active, I was using a bad test subject), but is the same "white shimmer" in other Pentax bodies (or at least the same as my Q), which is not all that easy to see sometimes. The responsiveness of the peaking and the video display in general (on the back LCD) seems much faster than my K-5 or Q. Not much lag as you move around... but then I'm not a video expert.

One nice thing I don't remember from earlier bodies is that the live view display (in photo or video) updates the gain when you use Exp. Comp to show the approximate exposure results. Previously, I think the live view would always "gain up" to show details, but not the actual exposure.

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AF speed during video is slooooow, whether with screwdrive, SDM, or Sigma HSM lenses. Press and hold the AF button and it refocuses a tiny bit, pause, a tiny bit more, pause, a long sloooow refocus. Better to manually pull the focus (at least with this firmware 1.00)! Oddly enough, AF during live view (not recording) is speedy quick and has lots of CDAF options!

Focus peaking is active during video recording, but is the same "white shimmer" in other Pentax bodies (or at least the same as my Q), which is not all that easy to see sometimes. The responsiveness of the peaking and the video display in general (on the back LCD) seems much faster than my K-5 or Q. Not much lag as you move around... but then I'm not a video expert.

One nice thing I don't remember from earlier bodies is that the live view display (in photo or video) updates the gain when you use Exp. Comp to show the approximate exposure results. Previously, I think the live view would always "gain up" to show details, but not the actual exposure.
weird I don't see focus peeking during video recording. It works before you press record but as soon as I start recording the focus peaking dissapeared (yes I've enabled it by pressing info)
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weird I don't see focus peeking during video recording. It works before you press record but as soon as I start recording the focus peaking dissapeared (yes I've enabled it by pressing info)
Aha, you're right! I chose a bad subject for my peaking tests... a finely woven piece of fabric that happened to be laying next to my desk. (I don't really shoot much video) Apparently, I was seeing moiré on the back LCD as I changed focus during video recording (how's that for ironic?). When I tested it again just now by focusing on my keyboard, the peaking shimmer disappears when I press record, just as you've seen.

Sorry about getting folks hopes up! Let's lobby Ricoh for a Firmware 1.01 with mechanical SR and FP during video recording!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Tanzer Quote
Well they (C/N) use in-lens stabilization.
totally forgot about those....

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Let's lobby Ricoh for a Firmware 1.01 with mechanical SR and FP during video recording!
I'm hoping they will fix it but I'm not optimistic. I was riding such a great "High" when they release the K-3. Now i'm totally depressed regarding the video. I know I can just buy a dedicated video recorder, but I was hoping they had at least caught up a little. This is K-01 video quality. No improvement at all. This might not be fixable in firmware if it's a heat issue with the SR when recording video. (Edit)
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It looks to me like they have optimised the SF during video to minimize the noise and disruption to picture.

I must admit I'm really not getting why everyone is so fussed about AF during video, for commercial uses etc it's not really needed IMO.

Audio metering etc during record seems to work well. Need to try the audio pass through to headphones properly tomorrow
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I must admit I'm really not getting why everyone is so fussed about AF during video, for commercial uses etc it's not really needed IMO.
K-3 will not be used for commercial video.

Video is a supporting role for dSLRs (except maybe the four cameras which are selected by commercial film makers). Supporting role as in family videos, event coverage, social media content. Where people don't bring their rigs, rails and focus pullers.

So, decent control over jello effect and sampling artefacts, decent stabilization, silent and snappy AF in video as well as peaking, are all requirements for this supporting role.

Of course, K-3 can still shine for its major role, photography
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So, decent control over jello effect and sampling artefacts, decent stabilization, silent and snappy AF in video as well as peaking, are all requirements for this supporting role.
I agree.

Do you have any idea why they may have went backwards compared to the SR implementation on the K-5?

The only reasons I can think of are
  • quieter operation, and
  • increasing battery life.

However, I feel that the price paid in terms of IQ is too high. Perhaps there are plans to improve the software-based SR over time.
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Sorry about getting folks hopes up! Let's lobby Ricoh for a Firmware 1.01 with mechanical SR and FP during video recording!
I agree - now where have I seen that before.

I find it quite hilarious, and disturbing, that people are saying that no-one will use the K-3 for pro video.

Funny that. Must stop billing for my work then.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mutters Quote
I agree - now where have I seen that before.

I find it quite hilarious, and disturbing, that people are saying that no-one will use the K-3 for pro video.

Funny that. Must stop billing for my work then.

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That's what I was thinking!
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That's what I was thinking!
Ha! Excellent. I was wondering how many are in the same boat.

Petition time for videographers and their K-3s.

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