Pentax K-3 Video Discussion

fuent104 · 10-07-2013, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by tr13

And you need one most of the time anyway

"Need" is a pretty strong word. Many of the low-budget professional projects I work do not use a monitor. Especially if shooting on a DSLR.

FoTom · 10-07-2013, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by FullertonImages

This would be so seriously amazing. The only thing that would make me happier would be if it had true 1080p/60. Interlaced footage is sort of useless.

The photographer is me was already very happy with the K-5, but it seems like Pentax has finally started to play ball in the video space, and has made the the filmmaker in me very happy with the K-3.

I'm not even a filmmaker/videographer, but I wouldn't brag about my K-3 doing 1080i when my Canon T3i does 1080p at 60fps. I guess it's a step forward for Pentax, but falls short from my expectations.

Same with photos.. yes, it's a great 24MP sensor, and if it's better than the K-5 then low-light capabilities will be even more astonishing. But again 14bits? Why add bells and whistles [selective White Balance, WiFi thingy..] when what really matters, although fantastic, could have been even better?

But that's my negativity and it's done. I want a K-3 as soon as I can raise the money ^___^

Bolt · 10-08-2013, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by FoTom

when my Canon T3i does 1080p at 60fps.

No it doesn't. The only Canon 'DSLR' to offer 1080/60p is the 1D-C. not even the 1D-X does 1080/60p.

johnmflores · 10-08-2013, 04:52 AM

Originally posted by Bolt

No it doesn't. The only Canon 'DSLR' to offer 1080/60p is the 1D-C. not even the 1D-X does 1080/60p.

Yup. 1080p60 is not common. Panasonic GH3 is one of the few affordable ones to offer it. Most others do as the K-3 and have 720p60.

johnmflores · 10-08-2013, 04:54 AM

These are the Movie specs from the Japanese site. No mention of RAW video. Australian site is similar. Seems like we saw a ghost.

Bolt · 10-08-2013, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

Yup. 1080p60 is not common. Panasonic GH3 is one of the few affordable ones to offer it. Most others do as the K-3 and have 720p60.

True, although it is offered on basically all Sony and Panasonic models.

txsbluesguy · 10-08-2013, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by Alizarine

This is the crippling thing about HDSLRs, which is not present in mirrorless cameras (e.g. K-01). I do think there could be an extension to this time limit in the K-3, given the more durable shutter mechanism (which may be a hint of an upgraded mirror mechanism too). I'm not a video expert, but if the K-01 can do it without the sensor overheating, then it's not really the sensor itself that overheats... but something else.

The only pro that need longer than 20 min are event videographers who do weddings, performances and meetings. Other types of "pros" those who shoot commercials, training, corporates, narrative etc usually only record short sections at a time that are edited into longer pieces later on. So a dslr could be viable option for them. So far no dslr from any mfg has been a good choice for long recording times mostly due to overheating issues and poor audio work flow.

The k01 will overheat -- I've done it along with the k7, 5dii, 7d and a few others

Tanzer · 10-08-2013, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by tr13

Today any good video monitor has peaking and many other stuff. And you need one most of the time anyway.

Well if you already have an external video monitor, there are plenty of mass-market DLSRs available to you. Your average DSLR user is not going to walk around with a LCD monitor attached to the hotshoe.

johnmflores · 10-08-2013, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by FullertonImages

Ooh, I don't like that little bit mentioned about how it will automatically shut itself off if the sensor gets too hot. That it definitely not ok for pro work. The last thing you need is to be filming something important that only happens once, and have your camera decide to shut itself off. I hope there's a way to override that. Obviously you on't want to wreck your sensor. But if you find yourself in a situation where the one-time only goods are unfolding in front of your camera on an important job, pretty sure most pros would rather get the shot and risk messing up their camera than have to tell the client you missed it because your camera shut itself off.

Canon 5Diii has a 29:59 recording limit and are susceptible to overheating as well. It's really only an issue when shooting long events. Short stuff, particularly the action-type things that you do, should not be an issue. Get a backup body and have it ready to go if you are shooting in extreme heat.

vboy · 10-08-2013, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by cream

"full manual control" in video mode... full manual includes aperture control... ^^

can it takes stills during video?

jogiba · 10-08-2013, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

Yup. 1080p60 is not common. Panasonic GH3 is one of the few affordable ones to offer it. Most others do as the K-3 and have 720p60.

The low cost Sony NEX-5N came out in 2011 with 1080p60 and Sony has it in many of their cameras that cost less than the GH3. My first camera with 1080p60 was the Panasonic TM700 3MOS camcorder in April 2010 and even my compact Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 superzoom has 1080p60 along with my full frame Sony NEX-VG900 .

LFLee · 10-08-2013, 07:58 AM

here we have some info about video in K-3: www.guts7.com: PENTAX K3

Some photos:

and video:

You Tube

johnmflores · 10-08-2013, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

here we have some info about video in K-3: www.guts7.com: PENTAX K3

Some photos:

and video:
Pentax K3 - YouTube

Interesting. It now makes me wonder if the physical Mode dial works when in video mode?

Thx for sharing.

jogiba · 10-08-2013, 08:02 AM

If you wanted to shoot the maximum 4K HDR movie interval timelapse you could shoot for 99 hours @ one frame every 2 seconds that will amount to 178,200 frames that would give you a 49min 30 sec 4K HDR timelapse @60FPS.

FullertonImages · 10-08-2013, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

Canon 5Diii has a 29:59 recording limit and are susceptible to overheating as well. It's really only an issue when shooting long events. Short stuff, particularly the action-type things that you do, should not be an issue. Get a backup body and have it ready to go if you are shooting in extreme heat.

I understand that, and I have no problem with shoot time limits. But the way the description made it sound, it will also just shut itself at any time if it think it's getting too hot. It's one thing to have to plan around a known time limit, it's another thing if it just shuts off half way through a take and you didn't know it was coming.

You'd be surprised (I was) how easy it is to rack up some really long takes shooting adventure stuff, especially climbing. People don't move that fast, and when someone is going for a hard attempt, you don't want to miss anything, so it's easiest to just let it roll. You can strategically cut and restart when there's a break in the action, which helps with clip length; but that doesn't really help with heat, since the sensor is only off for a few seconds.

I know all DSLRs have a heat issue, so I'm not knocking the K-3 for that. Just the notion of it randomly deciding to shut itself off, scares me a little.

10-08-2013, 04:54 AM	#95
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361 Original Poster	RAW video looking less likely These are the Movie specs from the Japanese site. No mention of RAW video. Australian site is similar. Seems like we saw a ghost. Attached Images

10-08-2013, 05:26 AM	#97
txsbluesguy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 103	Depends on what you mean by pro work Originally posted by Alizarine This is the crippling thing about HDSLRs, which is not present in mirrorless cameras (e.g. K-01). I do think there could be an extension to this time limit in the K-3, given the more durable shutter mechanism (which may be a hint of an upgraded mirror mechanism too). I'm not a video expert, but if the K-01 can do it without the sensor overheating, then it's not really the sensor itself that overheats... but something else. The only pro that need longer than 20 min are event videographers who do weddings, performances and meetings. Other types of "pros" those who shoot commercials, training, corporates, narrative etc usually only record short sections at a time that are edited into longer pieces later on. So a dslr could be viable option for them. So far no dslr from any mfg has been a good choice for long recording times mostly due to overheating issues and poor audio work flow. The k01 will overheat -- I've done it along with the k7, 5dii, 7d and a few others

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10-07-2013, 09:53 PM	#91
fuent104 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,356	Originally posted by tr13 And you need one most of the time anyway "Need" is a pretty strong word. Many of the low-budget professional projects I work do not use a monitor. Especially if shooting on a DSLR.

10-07-2013, 10:13 PM	#92
FoTom Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 165	Originally posted by FullertonImages This would be so seriously amazing. The only thing that would make me happier would be if it had true 1080p/60. Interlaced footage is sort of useless. The photographer is me was already very happy with the K-5, but it seems like Pentax has finally started to play ball in the video space, and has made the the filmmaker in me very happy with the K-3. I'm not even a filmmaker/videographer, but I wouldn't brag about my K-3 doing 1080i when my Canon T3i does 1080p at 60fps. I guess it's a step forward for Pentax, but falls short from my expectations. Same with photos.. yes, it's a great 24MP sensor, and if it's better than the K-5 then low-light capabilities will be even more astonishing. But again 14bits? Why add bells and whistles [selective White Balance, WiFi thingy..] when what really matters, although fantastic, could have been even better? But that's my negativity and it's done. I want a K-3 as soon as I can raise the money ^___^

10-08-2013, 01:51 AM	#93
Bolt Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: N.S.W Posts: 47	Originally posted by FoTom when my Canon T3i does 1080p at 60fps. No it doesn't. The only Canon 'DSLR' to offer 1080/60p is the 1D-C. not even the 1D-X does 1080/60p.

10-08-2013, 04:52 AM	#94
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361 Original Poster	Originally posted by Bolt No it doesn't. The only Canon 'DSLR' to offer 1080/60p is the 1D-C. not even the 1D-X does 1080/60p. Yup. 1080p60 is not common. Panasonic GH3 is one of the few affordable ones to offer it. Most others do as the K-3 and have 720p60.

10-08-2013, 05:08 AM	#96
Bolt Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: N.S.W Posts: 47	Originally posted by johnmflores Yup. 1080p60 is not common. Panasonic GH3 is one of the few affordable ones to offer it. Most others do as the K-3 and have 720p60. True, although it is offered on basically all Sony and Panasonic models.

10-08-2013, 06:26 AM	#98
Tanzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Perrineville, NJ Posts: 1,375	Originally posted by tr13 Today any good video monitor has peaking and many other stuff. And you need one most of the time anyway. Well if you already have an external video monitor, there are plenty of mass-market DLSRs available to you. Your average DSLR user is not going to walk around with a LCD monitor attached to the hotshoe.

10-08-2013, 06:56 AM	#99
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361 Original Poster	Originally posted by FullertonImages Ooh, I don't like that little bit mentioned about how it will automatically shut itself off if the sensor gets too hot. That it definitely not ok for pro work. The last thing you need is to be filming something important that only happens once, and have your camera decide to shut itself off. I hope there's a way to override that. Obviously you on't want to wreck your sensor. But if you find yourself in a situation where the one-time only goods are unfolding in front of your camera on an important job, pretty sure most pros would rather get the shot and risk messing up their camera than have to tell the client you missed it because your camera shut itself off. Canon 5Diii has a 29:59 recording limit and are susceptible to overheating as well. It's really only an issue when shooting long events. Short stuff, particularly the action-type things that you do, should not be an issue. Get a backup body and have it ready to go if you are shooting in extreme heat.

10-08-2013, 07:08 AM	#100
vboy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 46	Originally posted by cream "full manual control" in video mode... full manual includes aperture control... ^^ can it takes stills during video?

10-08-2013, 07:17 AM	#101
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by johnmflores Yup. 1080p60 is not common. Panasonic GH3 is one of the few affordable ones to offer it. Most others do as the K-3 and have 720p60. The low cost Sony NEX-5N came out in 2011 with 1080p60 and Sony has it in many of their cameras that cost less than the GH3. My first camera with 1080p60 was the Panasonic TM700 3MOS camcorder in April 2010 and even my compact Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 superzoom has 1080p60 along with my full frame Sony NEX-VG900 .

10-08-2013, 08:00 AM	#103
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361 Original Poster	Originally posted by LFLee here we have some info about video in K-3: www.guts7.com: PENTAX K3 Some photos: and video: Pentax K3 - YouTube Interesting. It now makes me wonder if the physical Mode dial works when in video mode? Thx for sharing.

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10-08-2013, 08:02 AM	#104
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	If you wanted to shoot the maximum 4K HDR movie interval timelapse you could shoot for 99 hours @ one frame every 2 seconds that will amount to 178,200 frames that would give you a 49min 30 sec 4K HDR timelapse @60FPS.

10-08-2013, 08:13 AM	#105
FullertonImages Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 883	Originally posted by johnmflores Canon 5Diii has a 29:59 recording limit and are susceptible to overheating as well. It's really only an issue when shooting long events. Short stuff, particularly the action-type things that you do, should not be an issue. Get a backup body and have it ready to go if you are shooting in extreme heat. I understand that, and I have no problem with shoot time limits. But the way the description made it sound, it will also just shut itself at any time if it think it's getting too hot. It's one thing to have to plan around a known time limit, it's another thing if it just shuts off half way through a take and you didn't know it was coming. You'd be surprised (I was) how easy it is to rack up some really long takes shooting adventure stuff, especially climbing. People don't move that fast, and when someone is going for a hard attempt, you don't want to miss anything, so it's easiest to just let it roll. You can strategically cut and restart when there's a break in the action, which helps with clip length; but that doesn't really help with heat, since the sensor is only off for a few seconds. I know all DSLRs have a heat issue, so I'm not knocking the K-3 for that. Just the notion of it randomly deciding to shut itself off, scares me a little.