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01-05-2016, 06:17 AM   #22351
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
Now my head hurts...
Wuss.

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Stop it!
My head hurts too.
Hate to repeat myself, but...

Wuss.

01-05-2016, 06:37 AM   #22352
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"In North America, 1 arpent = 180 French feet = about 192 English feet = about 58.47 metres"
"In Paris, 1 arpent = 220 French feet = about 234 English feet = about 71.46 metres"
But why are French feet bigger than English feet? Is it something in the water? The cheap red wine?

Is THIS why Rodin's figures always have enormous hands and feet?

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Hate to repeat myself, but...

Wuss.
Okay, math genius.........

Three men on a business trip got to their hotel late one night and were told by the clerk at the desk that there had been a mixup and there was only one room left. It would be $30.00.
They were too tired to go on so they took it. Each one gave the clerk $10.00 and they went to their room.
When the clerk told the manager about it the manager said they should have been given a discount. He told the clerk to go and give them $5.00 back.
The clerk couldn't figure out how to divide $5.00 three ways so he gave each one of them a dollar and kept $2.00 for himself. Since they weren't expecting any refund they wouldn't know the difference.

Now each of them is out-of-pocket $9.00, for a combined total of $27.00. The clerk has $2.00. 2+27=29

Where did the other dollar go?
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Where I come from we measure land in sections.
Let's not forget that where you come from was first settled by the French.
Prior to surveyed sections, there were French land grants and later on Spanish land grants in our area.
At times we had to work with those to re-establish survey lines.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
Okay, math genius.........

Three men on a business trip got to their hotel late one night and were told by the clerk at the desk that there had been a mixup and there was only one room left. It would be $30.00.
They were too tired to go on so they took it. Each one gave the clerk $10.00 and they went to their room.
When the clerk told the manager about it the manager said they should have been given a discount. He told the clerk to go and give them $5.00 back.
The clerk couldn't figure out how to divide $5.00 three ways so he gave each one of them a dollar and kept $2.00 for himself. Since they weren't expecting any refund they wouldn't know the difference.

Now each of them is out-of-pocket $9.00, for a combined total of $27.00. The clerk has $2.00. 2+27=29

Where did the other dollar go?
It gets wired into a secret internet bank account I have set up to catch the left over money in such situations.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
Where did the other dollar go?
he lost in on the way to their room.
Next question!
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Now each of them is out-of-pocket $9.00, for a combined total of $27.00. The clerk has $2.00. 2+27=29

Where did the other dollar go?
Not a math problem, just failed logic

they paid $9 each:
9x3=27

they got $3 back:
27+3=30
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QuoteOriginally posted by savoche Quote
Not a math problem, just failed logic

they paid $9 each:
9x3=27

they got $3 back:
27+3=30
That's what I want everyone to believe...

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QuoteOriginally posted by savoche Quote
Not a math problem, just failed logic

they paid $9 each:
9x3=27

they got $3 back:
27+3=30
You're Partially right.
The failed logic is in focusing on what they paid and not what's still in the register.
They, after the refund had paid $27.00. $25.00 of it is still in the cash register, and $2.00 in the clerk's pocket.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
You're Partially right.
The failed logic is in focusing on what they paid and not what's still in the register.
They, after the refund had paid $27.00. $25.00 of it is still in the cash register, and $2.00 in the clerk's pocket.
It's alright to focus on what they paid as long as you don't care whether that money end up in the till or not. Embezzlement is a police matter.

Or would this be theft?
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Or would this be theft?
Pretty much, since the guests are short two dollars that they were supposed to get back.

What the guests paid = what the hotel (and clerk) have

10+10+10 = 30
10+10+10 = 25+5
10+10+10 = 25+2+1+1+1
(Refund: subtract 3 ones from both sides)
10+10+10-1-1-1 = 25+2+1+1+1-1-1-1
9+9+9 = 25+2

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Embezzlement is a police matter.

Or would this be theft?
I think it's be conversion. The clerk was given the money to use for a specific purpose (refund it) but converted part of it for another use. (In this case, his own.)
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QuoteOriginally posted by THoog Quote
Pretty much, since the guests are short two dollars that they were supposed to get back.

What the guests paid = what the hotel (and clerk) have

10+10+10 = 30
10+10+10 = 25+5
10+10+10 = 25+2+1+1+1
(Refund: subtract 3 ones from both sides)
10+10+10-1-1-1 = 25+2+1+1+1-1-1-1
9+9+9 = 25+2
Sure, I just wasn't sure if embezzlement could be used only when someone steals from their employer or if it could be used more generally about theft conducted under a relationship of trust.

Yes, I'm rather gullible.
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The five elements of embezzlement: (i) the fraudulent (ii) conversion (iii) of the property (iv) of another person (v) by the person who has lawful possession of the property.

v) Lawful possession: The critical element is that the embezzler must have been in lawful possession of the property at the time of the fraudulent conversion, and not merely have custody of the property. If the thief had lawful possession of the property, the crime is embezzlement. If the thief merely had custody, the crime is larceny.

I think it could go either way, depending on jurisdiction and how the court interprets "lawful possession" of the money - whether the clerk had "lawful possession" or merely custody. Reading the Wiki articles, it might be a case where if the manager pocketed the two dollars, it would be embezzlement, but for the clerk, it would be larceny. North Carolina muddies the waters with a crime called "larceny by employee".
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