why I won't buy a k3 (Warning: Satire Thread)

Parallax · 05-14-2016, 05:09 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Ex Finn.

Plumbers make poor roofers?

I know one who isn't particularly adept at climbing.

**Ex Finn.** · 05-14-2016, 05:16 PM - **2 Likes**

His fall must have been due to slipping on bacon grease.

Rupert · 05-14-2016, 06:16 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Parallax

You can position your feet on the pedals in such a way that your ankles do not have to flex at all. It's not the most efficient way, but if you put your arch, or a bit more towards the heel on the pedals, the ankle does not need to flex at all.
The ideal situation, of course, would be to stay off of roofs so ankle issues would not be a factor.

I might could do that then. I'll find a dealer and take a look, though I doubt I'll want to actually buy one. The staying off of roofs is a great idea...just a little late in my case.

I got several decent "Pro" shots today and had fun doing it. This was not my best one...but Otis said it was so I have to post it.

Sure am glad I found this thread and let you guys talk me out of buying a K3....I never would have made Pro with a K3.

Regards!

Parallax · 05-14-2016, 06:30 PM - **1 Like**

Okay, I'm going to say isomething here that I wouldn't dare say in any other thread.
I've looked at pictures here, and in other threads, taken with a K-1 and I swear they look different. Sharper? More 3d? I can't put my finger on it, but they just look different; in a positive way.

RoxnDox · 05-14-2016, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

Yep. Land, sea, and air. Lutefisk/pickled herring, bacon/bbq, and airplanes.
It doesn't get any better than that!

As to propulsion kayaks -
I used to carry Hobie. They have a line of pedaled kayaks that utilize a pair of fins that stick down through the hull. They are absolutely for propulsion and do a really good job.
From the looks of it I suspect the one Jim bought is going to cruise right along as well.

The fly shop here in town carries both Hobies and Native. Which makes it really nice when trying to choose... Both methods are easily capable of getting a sustained pace that can outlast most paddlers, and with the leg muscles it's easier to keep it going long duration. I am working on editing some of the (mostly crappy) video from the WG-10, it shows both drives in action both above and below water and shows the speed even I could achieve.

Originally posted by clackers

Yeah, I can see they're way more serious than the ones I've encountered.

I guess they're like 'bent' bikes. I'm not a fan of how you can't get your torso involved, but legs are more efficient than arms, and hey, you can lie back consuming a BLT!

Or the beverage of your choice. Or both!

Originally posted by Rupert

Question....seriously...do your ankles have to move much when pedaling? Like on a bike or with less rotation of the ankle joints? Not that it would be anything I need but who knows? That stretch of the Trinity River has enticed me for years. They have found a lot of dead bodies there over the years..it is on the edge of downtown and there is a couple of bridges then it turns into a very remote area with nothing but dense woods. Lots of wildlife in there besides just the dead bodies.
When I worked at the police dept....years ago...a friend went on a rescue mission downriver and said he saw more wildlife than he had ever seen anywhere in this area. A few gators are known to reside there too. Damn I wish I was a few years younger!

Regards!

Ankle rotation seemed less than on a bicycle to me. I think that could be mostly a matter of individual style, though. I don't think there is anything inherent in the drive one way or the other. One thing for certain is that you don't need to apply a whole lot of effort to get the boat up to a nice cruising speed (3, 3.5 mph or so).

Was that in Otis territory by chance?? Might have to swing your K-1 as a club if you go in there...

Jim

RoxnDox · 05-14-2016, 06:59 PM - **1 Like**

And, just got back from the theatre - Captain America flick was great...

sherrvonne · 05-14-2016, 07:15 PM

My dogs eat steamed squash.... But that's not why I didn't not buy a K3 or a K3 II.

Rupert · 05-14-2016, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

Okay, I'm going to say is something here that I wouldn't dare say in any other thread.
I've looked at pictures here, and in other threads, taken with a K-1 and I swear they look different. Sharper? More 3d? I can't put my finger on it, but they just look different; in a positive way.

Well, I think you are right, in particular with the FF shots. After all, FF is a different ballgame. For my shots, which are almost all crop shots so far, they are basically K5IIs shots that are shot with the K1. Except.....better and faster focus, more accurate....better by far high ISO IQ....and perhaps a different processing engine in the K1 that also makes a difference?

I get a lot better detail with the K1 than I have before...and the shots come much easier with fewer deletes. It is probably a combination of factors, but I do agree the K1 shots are more magical in many cases.

Adversarialy ....We are seeing a lot of very fine glass used with the K1 by some... which is going to reflect in the IQ seen here considerably. I keep in mind that what we see on the web is seldom a true reflection of how a shot might print. Large printing for the K1 should be a dream.

Look at his head....pretty decent detail for a Bigma lens. I do see a difference when mounted on the K1.

At 1/160 handheld f8 ISO 640 @ 500mm.......I won't complain.

---------- Post added 05-14-16 at 09:20 PM ----------

Originally posted by RoxnDox

Was that in Otis territory by chance?? Might have to swing your K-1 as a club if you go in there...

No way I would linger in Otis territory! It is damn scary in there.

**Ex Finn.** · 05-14-2016, 07:32 PM

Nice sir!

RoxnDox · 05-14-2016, 07:46 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

I'm a kayaker, Roxndox, and thinking they shouldn't be sore if your technique's right - minimum use of those muscles, but back nice and upright, economically twisting your trunk each stroke instead of trying to do everything from the arms.

The pedal units on yaks I've seen were just to allow re-positioning while you had your hands full with the rod and gear, not really to get from A to B. Seems interesting, let us know how it all goes.

Land, sea or air, this thread's got it covered, why would you go anywhere else? ☺

Technique helps, but not enough. Last April, I had a C7/T1 cervical fusion, and I still have issues with the area, plenty of stiffness that PT couldn't entirely get rid of, and lingering nerve affects on the ulnar exiting the spine and thru the shoulder joint. The portion of the hand ennervated by the ulnar will really truly not enjoy the experience if I'm paddling too long (or cycling, or hitting mouse/keyboard all day...) - anything that requires sustained gripping I just don't have the endurance for nowadays. The pedal drive, for me, is essentially the only way I can continue to get myself out on the water without making my medical issues worse. And, given my job, getting out on the water is the thing that keeps me sorta sane...

Although I do hang out in the baconlutefiskvelveetaskwerlziqunaaq thread a lot, so the sanity may be pretty well expired.

Jim

**clackers** · 05-14-2016, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by RoxnDox

Technique helps, but not enough. Last April, I had a C7/T1 cervical fusion

That's reason enough. Great to see you've found a way to not give up doing what you love, Jim!

I've got wetsuit-style top and bottom now so the kayak for me shouldn't be something I ignore for six months of the year. ☺

Racer X 69 · 05-14-2016, 08:19 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

......... and hey, you can lie back consuming a BLT!

Don't leave out the beer.

RoxnDox · 05-14-2016, 08:34 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Racer X 69

Don't leave out the beer.

Rudder control lever on the port side, beverage holder on the starboard side of the seat! For the important stuff 😎

RoxnDox · 05-14-2016, 10:07 PM

Here is some video from the WG-10, showing the drive systems above and below the water. Quality is crap, it was bright sunlight and reflections, and a lot of operator error going on

But it shows how the drives work and gives an indication of the speeds you can get them going.

I have to say the editing is crap too - this is my first attempt at using the iMovie on our Macs... But, what the hell, ya know? What're they gonna do, take away my bacon and make me eat iqunaaq?

Jim

You Tube

tim60 · 05-14-2016, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

You can position your feet on the pedals in such a way that your ankles do not have to flex at all. It's not the most efficient way, but if you put your arch, or a bit more towards the heel on the pedals, the ankle does not need to flex at all.
The ideal situation, of course, would be to stay off of roofs so ankle issues would not be a factor.

But his problem is that he has already been on the roof, and had an incident. Staying off the roof now is not a method of restoration.

---------- Post added 05-15-16 at 04:03 PM ----------

Originally posted by Ex Finn.

His fall must have been due to slipping on bacon grease.

Impugning bacon: something bad will happen to you.

---------- Post added 05-15-16 at 04:04 PM ----------

Originally posted by Rupert

I might could do that then. I'll find a dealer and take a look, though I doubt I'll want to actually buy one. The staying off of roofs is a great idea...just a little late in my case.

I got several decent "Pro" shots today and had fun doing it. This was not my best one...but Otis said it was so I have to post it.

Sure am glad I found this thread and let you guys talk me out of buying a K3....I never would have made Pro with a K3.

Regards!

Watch out, Mrs Rupert will soon be seeking her ROI. What does she consider a good rate?

05-14-2016, 07:49 PM	#26486
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by RoxnDox Technique helps, but not enough. Last April, I had a C7/T1 cervical fusion That's reason enough. Great to see you've found a way to not give up doing what you love, Jim! I've got wetsuit-style top and bottom now so the kayak for me shouldn't be something I ignore for six months of the year. ☺ Last edited by clackers; 05-14-2016 at 07:55 PM.

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05-14-2016, 05:09 PM - 1 Like	#26476
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by Ex Finn. Plumbers make poor roofers? I know one who isn't particularly adept at climbing.

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Ex Finn. Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Maryland. Espoo. Kouvola. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,975	His fall must have been due to slipping on bacon grease.

05-14-2016, 06:16 PM - 2 Likes	#26478
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by Parallax You can position your feet on the pedals in such a way that your ankles do not have to flex at all. It's not the most efficient way, but if you put your arch, or a bit more towards the heel on the pedals, the ankle does not need to flex at all. The ideal situation, of course, would be to stay off of roofs so ankle issues would not be a factor. I might could do that then. I'll find a dealer and take a look, though I doubt I'll want to actually buy one. The staying off of roofs is a great idea...just a little late in my case. I got several decent "Pro" shots today and had fun doing it. This was not my best one...but Otis said it was so I have to post it. Sure am glad I found this thread and let you guys talk me out of buying a K3....I never would have made Pro with a K3. Regards!

05-14-2016, 06:30 PM - 1 Like	#26479
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Okay, I'm going to say isomething here that I wouldn't dare say in any other thread. I've looked at pictures here, and in other threads, taken with a K-1 and I swear they look different. Sharper? More 3d? I can't put my finger on it, but they just look different; in a positive way.

05-14-2016, 06:58 PM	#26480
RoxnDox Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Gig Harbor, Washington, USA, Terra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,494	Originally posted by Parallax Yep. Land, sea, and air. Lutefisk/pickled herring, bacon/bbq, and airplanes. It doesn't get any better than that! As to propulsion kayaks - I used to carry Hobie. They have a line of pedaled kayaks that utilize a pair of fins that stick down through the hull. They are absolutely for propulsion and do a really good job. From the looks of it I suspect the one Jim bought is going to cruise right along as well. The fly shop here in town carries both Hobies and Native. Which makes it really nice when trying to choose... Both methods are easily capable of getting a sustained pace that can outlast most paddlers, and with the leg muscles it's easier to keep it going long duration. I am working on editing some of the (mostly crappy) video from the WG-10, it shows both drives in action both above and below water and shows the speed even I could achieve. Originally posted by clackers Yeah, I can see they're way more serious than the ones I've encountered. I guess they're like 'bent' bikes. I'm not a fan of how you can't get your torso involved, but legs are more efficient than arms, and hey, you can lie back consuming a BLT! Or the beverage of your choice. Or both! Originally posted by Rupert Question....seriously...do your ankles have to move much when pedaling? Like on a bike or with less rotation of the ankle joints? Not that it would be anything I need but who knows? That stretch of the Trinity River has enticed me for years. They have found a lot of dead bodies there over the years..it is on the edge of downtown and there is a couple of bridges then it turns into a very remote area with nothing but dense woods. Lots of wildlife in there besides just the dead bodies. When I worked at the police dept....years ago...a friend went on a rescue mission downriver and said he saw more wildlife than he had ever seen anywhere in this area. A few gators are known to reside there too. Damn I wish I was a few years younger! Regards! Ankle rotation seemed less than on a bicycle to me. I think that could be mostly a matter of individual style, though. I don't think there is anything inherent in the drive one way or the other. One thing for certain is that you don't need to apply a whole lot of effort to get the boat up to a nice cruising speed (3, 3.5 mph or so). Was that in Otis territory by chance?? Might have to swing your K-1 as a club if you go in there... Jim

05-14-2016, 06:59 PM - 1 Like	#26481
RoxnDox Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Gig Harbor, Washington, USA, Terra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,494	And, just got back from the theatre - Captain America flick was great...

05-14-2016, 07:15 PM	#26482
sherrvonne Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,975	My dogs eat steamed squash.... But that's not why I didn't not buy a K3 or a K3 II.

05-14-2016, 07:16 PM	#26483
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by Parallax Okay, I'm going to say is something here that I wouldn't dare say in any other thread. I've looked at pictures here, and in other threads, taken with a K-1 and I swear they look different. Sharper? More 3d? I can't put my finger on it, but they just look different; in a positive way. Well, I think you are right, in particular with the FF shots. After all, FF is a different ballgame. For my shots, which are almost all crop shots so far, they are basically K5IIs shots that are shot with the K1. Except.....better and faster focus, more accurate....better by far high ISO IQ....and perhaps a different processing engine in the K1 that also makes a difference? I get a lot better detail with the K1 than I have before...and the shots come much easier with fewer deletes. It is probably a combination of factors, but I do agree the K1 shots are more magical in many cases. Adversarialy ....We are seeing a lot of very fine glass used with the K1 by some... which is going to reflect in the IQ seen here considerably. I keep in mind that what we see on the web is seldom a true reflection of how a shot might print. Large printing for the K1 should be a dream. Look at his head....pretty decent detail for a Bigma lens. I do see a difference when mounted on the K1. At 1/160 handheld f8 ISO 640 @ 500mm.......I won't complain. ---------- Post added 05-14-16 at 09:20 PM ---------- Originally posted by RoxnDox Was that in Otis territory by chance?? Might have to swing your K-1 as a club if you go in there... No way I would linger in Otis territory! It is damn scary in there.

05-14-2016, 07:32 PM	#26484
Ex Finn. Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Maryland. Espoo. Kouvola. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,975	Nice sir!

05-14-2016, 07:46 PM - 1 Like	#26485
RoxnDox Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Gig Harbor, Washington, USA, Terra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,494	Originally posted by clackers I'm a kayaker, Roxndox, and thinking they shouldn't be sore if your technique's right - minimum use of those muscles, but back nice and upright, economically twisting your trunk each stroke instead of trying to do everything from the arms. The pedal units on yaks I've seen were just to allow re-positioning while you had your hands full with the rod and gear, not really to get from A to B. Seems interesting, let us know how it all goes. Land, sea or air, this thread's got it covered, why would you go anywhere else? ☺ Technique helps, but not enough. Last April, I had a C7/T1 cervical fusion, and I still have issues with the area, plenty of stiffness that PT couldn't entirely get rid of, and lingering nerve affects on the ulnar exiting the spine and thru the shoulder joint. The portion of the hand ennervated by the ulnar will really truly not enjoy the experience if I'm paddling too long (or cycling, or hitting mouse/keyboard all day...) - anything that requires sustained gripping I just don't have the endurance for nowadays. The pedal drive, for me, is essentially the only way I can continue to get myself out on the water without making my medical issues worse. And, given my job, getting out on the water is the thing that keeps me sorta sane... Although I do hang out in the baconlutefiskvelveetaskwerlziqunaaq thread a lot, so the sanity may be pretty well expired. Jim

05-14-2016, 08:19 PM - 1 Like	#26487
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,068	Originally posted by clackers ......... and hey, you can lie back consuming a BLT! Don't leave out the beer.

05-14-2016, 08:34 PM - 1 Like	#26488
RoxnDox Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Gig Harbor, Washington, USA, Terra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,494	Originally posted by Racer X 69 Don't leave out the beer. Rudder control lever on the port side, beverage holder on the starboard side of the seat! For the important stuff 😎

05-14-2016, 10:31 PM	#26490
tim60 Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 8,745	Originally posted by Parallax You can position your feet on the pedals in such a way that your ankles do not have to flex at all. It's not the most efficient way, but if you put your arch, or a bit more towards the heel on the pedals, the ankle does not need to flex at all. The ideal situation, of course, would be to stay off of roofs so ankle issues would not be a factor. But his problem is that he has already been on the roof, and had an incident. Staying off the roof now is not a method of restoration. ---------- Post added 05-15-16 at 04:03 PM ---------- Originally posted by Ex Finn. His fall must have been due to slipping on bacon grease. Impugning bacon: something bad will happen to you. ---------- Post added 05-15-16 at 04:04 PM ---------- Originally posted by Rupert I might could do that then. I'll find a dealer and take a look, though I doubt I'll want to actually buy one. The staying off of roofs is a great idea...just a little late in my case. I got several decent "Pro" shots today and had fun doing it. This was not my best one...but Otis said it was so I have to post it. Sure am glad I found this thread and let you guys talk me out of buying a K3....I never would have made Pro with a K3. Regards! Watch out, Mrs Rupert will soon be seeking her ROI. What does she consider a good rate?