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09-27-2016, 05:58 PM   #29371
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Sorry to hear Mark, losing someone you know well is very heart-breaking.

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I think I could use one of those warrior squirrels!
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Sorry to hear Mark, losing someone you know well is very heart-breaking.
Thank you Bert. Much appreciated.
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Here, have a squirrel.



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Here, have a squirrel.
Well done.

---------- Post added 09-29-16 at 05:13 AM ----------

My home state lost electricity today. The whole state, not just part of it.

There was a storm and it is all broken.

I started to hear about it this morning, from friends. I seems their power was restored just before the time that would trigger the compulsory compensation payment!

A couple of forum members who would have been affected are Digitalis and NoelPolar. There are others too.

Australian politicians have gone to town about it. Enough said.
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Thank you Glenn. Since the Roman era, we've had about 80 generations. Between my ancestors leaving Europe and myself, we've had 6 generations. I know almost nothing about my great-grandparents. So, in 3-4 generations, very nearly all of us become no more than a name on a legal document or on a wall and sometimes not even that. Dang - I'm depressing myself.
Wow, that puts things in perspective. I've heard one sociologist has stated that one really knows only about five generations (from grandparents to grandchildren), if one is fortunate to be alive for all of those. The rest becomes documented history of which we have little knowledge. For example, here in the States my grandparents really knew about the impacts of the Great Depression and I asked them about that. Even after their explanations I was barely able to grasp the extreme hard work and need for financial discipline that was their lives. So I could see the affect of it on their lives, but the event is otherwise only a historical artifact, similar to many other events.
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I seems their power was restored just before the time that would trigger the compulsory compensation payment!


The power utility is required to compensate customers for outages?
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The power utility is required to compensate customers for outages?
Yes. If the outage is at least 12 hours the compensation is $100 and there is another threshold that gets about $300. I got both of those, for different outages about 3 years back when I lived there.

The idea is that that makes them honour their side of the contract for supply.

I remember a visit to the office of the supplier on the day of a significant outage. The boss worked out they were liable for a total of about $2million. The cause was some rats eating insulation in a substation. The rats died and shorted out the substation, causing the damage that resulted int he payment. Lesson: keep the vermin out of the substation. That's fair, the supplier makes profit from selling the power, people rely on the receipt of supply, so make the supplier have an incentive to pre-empt potential problems.

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. That's fair, the supplier makes profit from selling the power, people rely on the receipt of supply, so make the supplier have an incentive to pre-empt potential problems.
Socialist! 😀

The footage we saw last night showed intersections with cars in all directions ... and no traffic lights.



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Socialist! 😀

The footage we saw last night showed intersections with cars in all directions ... and no traffic lights.
The chaos certainly reminds us how dependent we all are on certain services and there is very little we can do to make ourselves independent. And even if one tries to be a survivalist detailed investigation of what you need to obtain, maintain and all the consumables required would reduce life to a pretty miserable state very quickly. We need food, but most food needs cooking, and we need to clean the cooking and eating utensils, which needs water which comes from where? Or a few of the ingredients of our food are normally 'fresh' like milk or eggs or meat, which relies on the supply of power, and if we get a generator, restrictions on the quantity of fuel that can be stored in an urban house greatly limit the power we can make, and BTW one cannot connect a generator to the mains powered wiring in the house - one would need to double wire the house or have an entirely off-grid house. As a private person, work out how you can pay for all that for yourself and your immediate family. And if you do it collectively with a bunch of friends you immediately get into all the complications of local politics.
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The chaos certainly reminds us how dependent we all are on certain services and there is very little we can do to make ourselves independent. And even if one tries to be a survivalist detailed investigation of what you need to obtain, maintain and all the consumables required would reduce life to a pretty miserable state very quickly. We need food, but most food needs cooking, and we need to clean the cooking and eating utensils, which needs water which comes from where? Or a few of the ingredients of our food are normally 'fresh' like milk or eggs or meat, which relies on the supply of power, and if we get a generator, restrictions on the quantity of fuel that can be stored in an urban house greatly limit the power we can make, and BTW one cannot connect a generator to the mains powered wiring in the house - one would need to double wire the house or have an entirely off-grid house. As a private person, work out how you can pay for all that for yourself and your immediate family. And if you do it collectively with a bunch of friends you immediately get into all the complications of local politics.

You can buy the batteries Tesla put in the floorpan of their cars, prop 'em up against an outside wall and use them to store solar or as a buffer against the mains going out. Not sure when the ROI would be, but in countries where services are constantly disrupted, they'd be a good idea for a suburban house.
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Yes. If the outage is at least 12 hours the compensation is $100 and there is another threshold that gets about $300. I got both of those, for different outages about 3 years back when I lived there.

The idea is that that makes them honour their side of the contract for supply.

I remember a visit to the office of the supplier on the day of a significant outage. The boss worked out they were liable for a total of about $2million. The cause was some rats eating insulation in a substation. The rats died and shorted out the substation, causing the damage that resulted int he payment. Lesson: keep the vermin out of the substation. That's fair, the supplier makes profit from selling the power, people rely on the receipt of supply, so make the supplier have an incentive to pre-empt potential problems.


The utility that supplies power in my area is a public utility (PUD). The utility operates on the rates collected from the customers, on some formula that collects just the amount required to provide the service.


Essentially, the ratepayers (customers) are the owners of the utility.


As a public utility, it operates as a non profit agency, supplying power (and water in some areas) to the community. Also, we get lots of wind storms that blow trees into the lines, knocking out the power. Add to that the winter snows that result in outages, the occasional car pole accident, and various other causes for outages, and one can see that supplying power cannot be guaranteed 100% of the time.




It is also the utility where I worked for 30 years.




Some history regarding public utilities:


Public utility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Public utility district - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Powering A Generation: Power History #2
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The easiest thing to do is to have a switch setup on the Mains Distribution Board. It has three positions - off in the centre, Generator power to one side and Mains power to the other. When switched to the generator position, it wires to minimal circuits in the house only. A few hotpoints, a few lights and essentials like the power supply for water pumps, fibre phone line termination point, freezer, fridge, etc. Then you have a caravan hookup point and you need a portable generator that you stick outside when you want to use it, so as to not have poisonous fumes come in the house from running the generator. Obviously, you need fuel, but a full car tank holds between 65-120 litres, so using that you can run the setup for quite a while. I've arranges setups like that for quite a few rural clients. Works very well.
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I must point out that the last three pages have been page numbers 1957, 1958 and 1959. Without a doubt, the years with the prettiest cars.
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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
Socialist! 😀

The footage we saw last night showed intersections with cars in all directions ... and no traffic lights.
A Zambian friend pointed out why he likes roundabouts/rotaries/traffic circles better than traffic lights/robots; they are never out of order - and they can't be stolen
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