why I won't buy a k3 (Warning: Satire Thread)

**BigMackCam** · 11-10-2016, 06:50 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by robtcorl

"What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?"
-Massasoit
Grand sachem (intertribal chief) of all the Wampanoag Indians 1590-1661

"Get off my property!"
- BigMackCam, 1969 - present

**BigMackCam** · 11-10-2016, 06:54 AM

"What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?"
-Massasoit
Grand sachem (intertribal chief) of all the Wampanoag Indians 1590-1661

^^^ An interesting defence for shop-lifters...

robtcorl · 11-10-2016, 07:38 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

"Get off my property!"
- BigMackCam, 1969 - present

You're still a pup Mike, I have a daughter one year younger than you.
Wait until you're my age and it will be Get off my ******* property punk!

**BigMackCam** · 11-10-2016, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by robtcorl

You're still a pup Mike, I have a daughter one year younger than you.

Thanks, Bob - you've made my day!

Originally posted by robtcorl

Wait until you're my age and it will be Get off my ******* property punk!

I already have my moments, but I'll keep working on it

**monochrome** · 11-10-2016, 10:46 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Cakes - two of them! Congratulations... you must be overjoyed

Thank you - yes! They wanted at least one boy.

Originally posted by clackers

Congratulations, Monochrome. Be good to them, they'll have power of attorney one day!

I probably won't be around for that.

Originally posted by robtcorl

Twins, how cool!

Congrats to all!

Best part is she had to do in vitro (he was in chemo last winter) and they both 'took'. So double happy. The chemo / surgeries worked AND they got twins.

Racer X 69 · 11-10-2016, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Best part is she had to do in vitro (he was in chemo last winter) and they both 'took'. So double happy. The chemo / surgeries worked AND they got twins.

I read once that the in vitro method results in more multiple births (twins, triplets, etc.) than conventional conception.

Racer X 69 · 11-10-2016, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

That's right. Even though my mortgage is paid off I still don't own my house and land. I rent it from the county.
I give them a check every year for about $1700.00.

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Similar here. I own my house outright, and technically I own the land too, as it is "freehold" (I pay no land rent, but I do pay "Council Tax" for town, county and some national services). But ultimately, all land here is owned by The Crown...

Originally posted by robtcorl

"What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?"
-Massasoit
Grand sachem (intertribal chief) of all the Wampanoag Indians 1590-1661

The land belongs to Mother Earth. Even our homes and businesses are built from that which our Mother Earth provides. Therefore, no man can own any of it.

tim60 · 11-10-2016, 11:48 AM

The legal doctrine of terra nullius relates tot he assumption made in the occupation of the new world that, in the absence of documented types of land ownership of the form established in western Europe that the land was not owned, and therefore would be owned by the first person to come and claim it. The first person came an claimed it n the name of the crown of their country, which then presumed to carve it up for the use of those people whom they chose, under terms the crown decided, in most cases only people recently arrived. Mabo succeeded in Australia in challenging that doctrine, subject to a number of specific conditions being satisfied. That is quite sensitive politics in Australia.

**savoche** · 11-10-2016, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Best part is she had to do in vitro (he was in chemo last winter) and they both 'took'. So double happy. The chemo / surgeries worked AND they got twins.

I'd say that's triple happy. Congratulations!

**monochrome** · 11-10-2016, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by savoche

I'd say that's triple happy. Congratulations!

Yeah. 3 hearts!

Really good, I mean WORLD CLASS doctors for both of them. Lot of traveling and hand-holding for both. It changed my perspective on a lot of things.

**monochrome** · 11-10-2016, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Racer X 69

I read once that the in vitro method results in more multiple births (twins, triplets, etc.) than conventional conception.

The Doctor fertilized 16 and chose the two that he thought were best. He said, "I picked a boy and a girl for you <pause> Hah Hah."

Frankly, they expected at least one to be rejected, so it is a real blessing.

**WPRESTO** · 11-11-2016, 06:44 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Racer X 69

The land belongs to Mother Earth. Even our homes and businesses are built from that which our Mother Earth provides. Therefore, no man can own any of it.

I have heard the argument that, although the First Nations were living on the land that is now the United States, they had not "done something" with it, and thereby had no claim to control or ownership. He stated and believed that this was a "basic principle" recognized universally by all nations through all time.

On the other hand, if it is true that the First Nations regarded land as something that could not be owned, it is curious that so many tribes identified "our" hunting grounds that could not be used or intruded upon by neighboring tribes. According to one account I read of the Lewis and Clark expedition, one of the most regular requests from the tribes they encountered was for firearms and assistance to deal with neighboring tribes who were making incursions onto "our" land. So it seems that the concept that the land belongs equally to all and to no one person applies only within "our people" and does not extend to all people = not to NPLU. Also, if the land cannot be "owned," then how can it be "taken away?" It's a thorny issue, nothing like black-and-white.

normhead · 11-11-2016, 07:45 AM

Many of the above "inconstancies" are not at all inconsistent, but are not easily understood by those not brought up speaking native language. The point being, the fact that white folks have a problem with the translations, doesn't men native people had problems with the original concepts, or do now. Basic concepts of native culture are understood, and not open to the kind of debt suggested above. Saying your concepts aren' the same as ours is different from saying "we have the right to take your land and have you conform to our way of doing things." Native American lost their land because they weren't as technologically advanced, and didn't have as many people It was an act of brute force. Let's not try and dress it up.

**BigMackCam** · 11-11-2016, 07:57 AM

Interesting though the subject is, it strikes me that we've strayed into social and cultural politics - but politics, nonetheless. Best we draw a line there, if you good folks don't mind

normhead · 11-11-2016, 08:02 AM

And it's considered impolite in native culture to discuss politics or religion in pubic.

Have a little respect for the ways of "the people".

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11-10-2016, 06:50 AM - 2 Likes	#30601
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by robtcorl "What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?" -Massasoit Grand sachem (intertribal chief) of all the Wampanoag Indians 1590-1661 "Get off my property!" - BigMackCam, 1969 - present

11-10-2016, 06:54 AM	#30602
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	"What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?" -Massasoit Grand sachem (intertribal chief) of all the Wampanoag Indians 1590-1661 ^^^ An interesting defence for shop-lifters...

11-10-2016, 07:38 AM - 3 Likes	#30603
robtcorl Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: St Louis, MO Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,606	Originally posted by BigMackCam "Get off my property!" - BigMackCam, 1969 - present You're still a pup Mike, I have a daughter one year younger than you. Wait until you're my age and it will be Get off my ******* property punk!

11-10-2016, 08:50 AM	#30604
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by robtcorl You're still a pup Mike, I have a daughter one year younger than you. Thanks, Bob - you've made my day! Originally posted by robtcorl Wait until you're my age and it will be Get off my ******* property punk! I already have my moments, but I'll keep working on it

11-10-2016, 10:46 AM - 1 Like	#30605
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by BigMackCam Cakes - two of them! Congratulations... you must be overjoyed Thank you - yes! They wanted at least one boy. Originally posted by clackers Congratulations, Monochrome. Be good to them, they'll have power of attorney one day! I probably won't be around for that. Originally posted by robtcorl Twins, how cool! Congrats to all! Best part is she had to do in vitro (he was in chemo last winter) and they both 'took'. So double happy. The chemo / surgeries worked AND they got twins.

11-10-2016, 11:23 AM	#30606
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,068	Originally posted by monochrome Best part is she had to do in vitro (he was in chemo last winter) and they both 'took'. So double happy. The chemo / surgeries worked AND they got twins. I read once that the in vitro method results in more multiple births (twins, triplets, etc.) than conventional conception.

11-10-2016, 11:36 AM	#30607
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,068	Originally posted by Parallax That's right. Even though my mortgage is paid off I still don't own my house and land. I rent it from the county. I give them a check every year for about $1700.00. Originally posted by BigMackCam Similar here. I own my house outright, and technically I own the land too, as it is "freehold" (I pay no land rent, but I do pay "Council Tax" for town, county and some national services). But ultimately, all land here is owned by The Crown... Originally posted by robtcorl "What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?" -Massasoit Grand sachem (intertribal chief) of all the Wampanoag Indians 1590-1661 The land belongs to Mother Earth. Even our homes and businesses are built from that which our Mother Earth provides. Therefore, no man can own any of it.

11-10-2016, 11:48 AM	#30608
tim60 Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 8,745	The legal doctrine of terra nullius relates tot he assumption made in the occupation of the new world that, in the absence of documented types of land ownership of the form established in western Europe that the land was not owned, and therefore would be owned by the first person to come and claim it. The first person came an claimed it n the name of the crown of their country, which then presumed to carve it up for the use of those people whom they chose, under terms the crown decided, in most cases only people recently arrived. Mabo succeeded in Australia in challenging that doctrine, subject to a number of specific conditions being satisfied. That is quite sensitive politics in Australia.

11-10-2016, 12:07 PM	#30609
savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,311	Originally posted by monochrome Best part is she had to do in vitro (he was in chemo last winter) and they both 'took'. So double happy. The chemo / surgeries worked AND they got twins. I'd say that's triple happy. Congratulations!

11-10-2016, 04:53 PM	#30610
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by savoche I'd say that's triple happy. Congratulations! Yeah. 3 hearts! Really good, I mean WORLD CLASS doctors for both of them. Lot of traveling and hand-holding for both. It changed my perspective on a lot of things.

11-10-2016, 04:58 PM	#30611
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Racer X 69 I read once that the in vitro method results in more multiple births (twins, triplets, etc.) than conventional conception. The Doctor fertilized 16 and chose the two that he thought were best. He said, "I picked a boy and a girl for you <pause> Hah Hah." Frankly, they expected at least one to be rejected, so it is a real blessing.

11-11-2016, 06:44 AM - 1 Like	#30612
WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,108	Originally posted by Racer X 69 The land belongs to Mother Earth. Even our homes and businesses are built from that which our Mother Earth provides. Therefore, no man can own any of it. I have heard the argument that, although the First Nations were living on the land that is now the United States, they had not "done something" with it, and thereby had no claim to control or ownership. He stated and believed that this was a "basic principle" recognized universally by all nations through all time. On the other hand, if it is true that the First Nations regarded land as something that could not be owned, it is curious that so many tribes identified "our" hunting grounds that could not be used or intruded upon by neighboring tribes. According to one account I read of the Lewis and Clark expedition, one of the most regular requests from the tribes they encountered was for firearms and assistance to deal with neighboring tribes who were making incursions onto "our" land. So it seems that the concept that the land belongs equally to all and to no one person applies only within "our people" and does not extend to all people = not to NPLU. Also, if the land cannot be "owned," then how can it be "taken away?" It's a thorny issue, nothing like black-and-white.

11-11-2016, 07:45 AM	#30613
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Many of the above "inconstancies" are not at all inconsistent, but are not easily understood by those not brought up speaking native language. The point being, the fact that white folks have a problem with the translations, doesn't men native people had problems with the original concepts, or do now. Basic concepts of native culture are understood, and not open to the kind of debt suggested above. Saying your concepts aren' the same as ours is different from saying "we have the right to take your land and have you conform to our way of doing things." Native American lost their land because they weren't as technologically advanced, and didn't have as many people It was an act of brute force. Let's not try and dress it up.

11-11-2016, 07:57 AM	#30614
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Interesting though the subject is, it strikes me that we've strayed into social and cultural politics - but politics, nonetheless. Best we draw a line there, if you good folks don't mind

11-11-2016, 08:02 AM	#30615
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	And it's considered impolite in native culture to discuss politics or religion in pubic. Have a little respect for the ways of "the people".