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ccc_ · 03-09-2017, 02:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by savoche

Never underestimate the dedication of a Finn

In general I think the WRC guys are better at estimating the right cornering speed. But then they cheat with 4 wheel drive

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cheat or make use of all their available resources?

**savoche** · 03-09-2017, 02:23 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ccc_

cheat or make use of all their available resources?

That should be read as "cheat" with big quotation marks. I'm a big fan of 4WD - makes life soooo much easier on slippery roads.

And they certainly know how to utilise those resources to the fullest, no matter how many wheels are pulling them along!

ccc_ · 03-09-2017, 02:32 PM - **2 Likes**

I used 4wd from 82 to 13 and thought it was great stuff

i'm driving an awd at controllable speeds on the back roads that would have killed me in my trucks
even offroad it's not a hindrance

the trucks all topped at around 90-100mph and weren't particularly stable over 80
this car just clips along
first thing I have ever driven that I don't actually know its top end

maybe because an old fat guy has more sense in his dotage?

but yes snow and speed...wheeee!!!

Rupert · 03-09-2017, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by VoiceOfReason

Did she also tell you that you get the best images right next to a tornado?

She said it was calm in the middle and I should get in there to photograph.

Regards!

Racer X 69 · 03-09-2017, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by savoche

But then they cheat with 4 wheel drive

Cheating?

How can it be cheating? Making use of a pair of tires and wheels that otherwise do noting more than hold up one end of the car is resourceful, innovative and smart.

Racer X 69 · 03-09-2017, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by savoche

I'm a big fan of 4WD - makes life soooo much easier on slippery roads.

Technically it is AWD, not 4WD. 4WD is a system that has a transfer case with the ability to operate in either 2WD or 4WD.

AWD vehicles have no driver selectable options, but rather are always sending engine output to all wheels (albeit via limited slip center and axle differentials).

Parallax · 03-09-2017, 04:56 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Racer X 69

Technically it is AWD, not 4WD. 4WD is a system that has a transfer case with the ability to operate in either 2WD or 4WD.

That's not quite accurate.
I had a 1979 Chevy full time 4WD. It had a transfer case, but there was no 2WD operation. The transfer case had a differential in it. It operated in Hi, Hi Lock, N, Low, and Low Lock.

MarkJerling · 03-09-2017, 05:34 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Parallax

That's not quite accurate.
I had a 1979 Chevy full time 4WD. It had a transfer case, but there was no 2WD operation. The transfer case had a differential in it. It operated in Hi, Hi Lock, N, Low, and Low Lock.

That sounds quite similar to the Landrover Discovery and Rangerover system.For a while they killed the locking function, then they brought it back again. Now on the modern ones - I don't know. Too much electronics in modern vehicles!

Parallax · 03-09-2017, 06:12 PM

It drove really well on snow, ice, mud, etc. The downside was the 9-10 miles per gallon on the highway.

robtcorl · 03-09-2017, 06:17 PM

My company work truck was a 4WD Chevy Suburban.
I only got stuck once, in mud, to where I needed to be towed out.
The tow truck got stuck and we both had to get a tow.

I put over 200K on my last Suburban before I retired and never had any major components replaced or repaired, just tires, filters, etc.
We did keep up on maintenance.

VoiceOfReason · 03-09-2017, 06:23 PM

Speaking of long lasting my HHR is up to 264,500 miles. I did have to replace the alternator a couple weeks ago, but that's it other than maintenance items.

Rupert · 03-09-2017, 07:11 PM

197K on my 2000 Dodge Ram...runs perfectly, uses no oil, everything works. Very little repairs other than regular maintenance. I do use only Mobil One synthetic oil in all my vehicles...have since 1972.

Sure am liking those new fender flares!

Regards!

robtcorl · 03-09-2017, 07:20 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Rupert

I do use only Mobil One synthetic oil in all my vehicles...have since 1972

In Texas?
Does your mom know this?

Rupert · 03-09-2017, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by robtcorl

In Texas?
Does your mom know this?

Her wells are natural gas

....and she uses Mobil One too!

Better gas mileage and cheaper than conventional oil...in the long run...fewer oil changes and better protection in hot Texas weather.

I could tell you how I got hooked on Mobil One in 1972, but it is a long story and I am dead dog tired from a long day of accompanying Mrs Rupert to her Doc in Ft Worth. Her colonoscopy thingy is coming up in two weeks...her first was 10 years ago.
My first ...and last

...was about 6 years ago. I'm pretty touchy about people playing around in my butt.

They can cut out hemorrhoids, but that's as far as I want to go...

Regards!

Racer X 69 · 03-09-2017, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by robtcorl

In Texas?
Does your mom know this?

Synthetic engine oils still have petroleum based stocks that the 'synthetic' oil is made from.

03-09-2017, 07:33 PM	#33944
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by robtcorl In Texas? Does your mom know this? Her wells are natural gas....and she uses Mobil One too! Better gas mileage and cheaper than conventional oil...in the long run...fewer oil changes and better protection in hot Texas weather. I could tell you how I got hooked on Mobil One in 1972, but it is a long story and I am dead dog tired from a long day of accompanying Mrs Rupert to her Doc in Ft Worth. Her colonoscopy thingy is coming up in two weeks...her first was 10 years ago. My first ...and last ...was about 6 years ago. I'm pretty touchy about people playing around in my butt. They can cut out hemorrhoids, but that's as far as I want to go... Regards!

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03-09-2017, 02:00 PM - 1 Like	#33931
ccc_ Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,400	Originally posted by savoche Never underestimate the dedication of a Finn In general I think the WRC guys are better at estimating the right cornering speed. But then they cheat with 4 wheel drive WRC Rally Sweden 2016 \| MAX ATTACK - YouTube cheat or make use of all their available resources?

03-09-2017, 02:23 PM - 1 Like	#33932
savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,312	Originally posted by ccc_ cheat or make use of all their available resources? That should be read as "cheat" with big quotation marks. I'm a big fan of 4WD - makes life soooo much easier on slippery roads. And they certainly know how to utilise those resources to the fullest, no matter how many wheels are pulling them along!

03-09-2017, 02:32 PM - 2 Likes	#33933
ccc_ Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,400	I used 4wd from 82 to 13 and thought it was great stuff i'm driving an awd at controllable speeds on the back roads that would have killed me in my trucks even offroad it's not a hindrance the trucks all topped at around 90-100mph and weren't particularly stable over 80 this car just clips along first thing I have ever driven that I don't actually know its top end maybe because an old fat guy has more sense in his dotage? but yes snow and speed...wheeee!!!

03-09-2017, 03:23 PM	#33934
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by VoiceOfReason Did she also tell you that you get the best images right next to a tornado? She said it was calm in the middle and I should get in there to photograph. Regards!

03-09-2017, 04:31 PM	#33935
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,077	Originally posted by savoche But then they cheat with 4 wheel drive Cheating? How can it be cheating? Making use of a pair of tires and wheels that otherwise do noting more than hold up one end of the car is resourceful, innovative and smart.

03-09-2017, 04:35 PM	#33936
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,077	Originally posted by savoche I'm a big fan of 4WD - makes life soooo much easier on slippery roads. Technically it is AWD, not 4WD. 4WD is a system that has a transfer case with the ability to operate in either 2WD or 4WD. AWD vehicles have no driver selectable options, but rather are always sending engine output to all wheels (albeit via limited slip center and axle differentials).

03-09-2017, 04:56 PM - 1 Like	#33937
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by Racer X 69 Technically it is AWD, not 4WD. 4WD is a system that has a transfer case with the ability to operate in either 2WD or 4WD. That's not quite accurate. I had a 1979 Chevy full time 4WD. It had a transfer case, but there was no 2WD operation. The transfer case had a differential in it. It operated in Hi, Hi Lock, N, Low, and Low Lock.

03-09-2017, 05:34 PM - 1 Like	#33938
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,423	Originally posted by Parallax That's not quite accurate. I had a 1979 Chevy full time 4WD. It had a transfer case, but there was no 2WD operation. The transfer case had a differential in it. It operated in Hi, Hi Lock, N, Low, and Low Lock. That sounds quite similar to the Landrover Discovery and Rangerover system.For a while they killed the locking function, then they brought it back again. Now on the modern ones - I don't know. Too much electronics in modern vehicles!

03-09-2017, 06:12 PM	#33939
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	It drove really well on snow, ice, mud, etc. The downside was the 9-10 miles per gallon on the highway.

03-09-2017, 06:17 PM	#33940
robtcorl Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: St Louis, MO Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,606	My company work truck was a 4WD Chevy Suburban. I only got stuck once, in mud, to where I needed to be towed out. The tow truck got stuck and we both had to get a tow. I put over 200K on my last Suburban before I retired and never had any major components replaced or repaired, just tires, filters, etc. We did keep up on maintenance.

03-09-2017, 06:23 PM	#33941
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	Speaking of long lasting my HHR is up to 264,500 miles. I did have to replace the alternator a couple weeks ago, but that's it other than maintenance items.

03-09-2017, 07:11 PM	#33942
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	197K on my 2000 Dodge Ram...runs perfectly, uses no oil, everything works. Very little repairs other than regular maintenance. I do use only Mobil One synthetic oil in all my vehicles...have since 1972. Sure am liking those new fender flares! Regards!

03-09-2017, 07:20 PM - 2 Likes	#33943
robtcorl Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: St Louis, MO Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,606	Originally posted by Rupert I do use only Mobil One synthetic oil in all my vehicles...have since 1972 In Texas? Does your mom know this?

03-09-2017, 08:04 PM	#33945
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,077	Originally posted by robtcorl In Texas? Does your mom know this? Synthetic engine oils still have petroleum based stocks that the 'synthetic' oil is made from.

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