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02-01-2014, 08:56 PM   #4261
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Two things that are better in the snow: Doing donuts!!(not food) and bumper sliding!! WOOO HOOO!!
You don't need snow to slicken the surface up for donuts. Just raw horsepower and a differential that will take the abuse.


And after spending all that money on tires you won't be able to buy a K3.

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What sucks about Tylenol is it does work very well to reduce pain. It is indeed the side effects that are EVIL.



But APAP has Acetaminophen in it.

Won't need a K3 after the APAP kills you.
I know it is Tylenol. And I'm saying I'm cognizant enough to not OD myself on it. I like my liver! I really don't want to have to ask someone for part of theirs!
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I've seen two patients die from liver failure due to Tylenol overdose. It isn't pretty, it doesn't take as much as most people might think, and there are no symptoms until it's too late. Acetaminophen is probably the most dangerous OTC drug on the market.
Interesting. I know the packets of the locally available paracetemols all strongly warn against overdose. But I find it is much more effective. A couple of years ago I had a severe infection and bought some of the US favourite Advil in SFO airport. It seemed to have no effect. In New Zealand I got some paracetamol and began taking them, slightly slower than the allowed dose and the pain became bearable, and began another six hours of flying to get home.
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We have central heating.I have a nephew in Oxford, England who visits Minnesota at Christmas to get warm. He says they heat those old buildings with warmed bricks. It is possible that the successful conclusion of the American Revolution was due to cold RedCoats! Valley Forge! Very chilly with ice chunks on the water. Cornwall surrendering looked in the painting like he was relaxing because he was finally warm. Napoleon invaded Russia and was defeated by the Russian People and Army, and was destroyed on the Retreat by the Russian Winter. Hitler invaded Russia and his invading army was destroyed in Stalingrad (now "Volgograd" I think? please do not be offended if I am wrong about the current name). Napoleon first, then the Germans made the long and agonizing cold march across Russia. And the winter beat them on their Retreat.
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On the Gulf Coast, we use heat pumps. Which doesn't work very well in 15℉ weather. Thus, the space heater phenomenon. And the problems ensuing, such as fires.
I have Geothermal heating and cooling in my house. In the winter it takes the heat stored in the ground loops and heats the house. In the summer it takes the heat out of the air in the house and stores it in the ground loops, but preheats the domestic hot water first.

The system is so efficient that it saves me lots of money, so i could afford a K3.

But I still won't buy one.

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Oh my, my drug experience began with aspirin for hip pain. Then I moved to Tylenol with the only positive effect was the homeowner at a forensic investigation giving me a walking stick with brass ferrule. Ortho surgeon then prescribed another arthritis anti-inflammatory. Did not work, Motrin helped. Then a new hip, titanium and plastic. This was the hip I fractured thirty years previously skiing at Taos, New Mexico. It had healed, kind of, with bone necrosis setting in. So the drugs never helped except to delay the treatment. Today, six years later, I take about one ibuprofen daily. Some days two. At the worst six years ago, I ate twelve to sixteen 250 mg tabs for pain.

Many Doctors do not treat pain in the USA. You are expected to deal with pain in your own fashion. As if it is not real. Real pain sucks more than I could imagine.

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Well, the doctors aren't solely to blame here. The FDA & DEA have a hand in it too.
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Probably the larger role. My experience is not unusual: five years of progressive pain and reduced mobility followed by surgery and six months of recovery. Analgesics appear in this scenario in years 5.2. I dreaded the surgery. After I wished I had insisted on hip replacement four and one-half years earlier. But insurance would not pay for an MRI until I could not walk without a cane. Not the doctors fault, I agree. My surgeon recommended full hip replacement a couple of years before it,was finally done. Insurance would not cover it because I was still walking and earning money. I guess. They never gave me a written argument supporting their coverage choices.
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Oh my, my drug experience began with aspirin for hip pain. Then I moved to Tylenol with the only positive effect was the homeowner at a forensic investigation giving me a walking stick with brass ferrule. Ortho surgeon then prescribed another arthritis anti-inflammatory. Did not work, Motrin helped. Then a new hip, titanium and plastic. This was the hip I fractured thirty years previously skiing at Taos, New Mexico. It had healed, kind of, with bone necrosis setting in. So the drugs never helped except to delay the treatment. Today, six years later, I take about one ibuprofen daily. Some days two. At the worst six years ago, I ate twelve to sixteen 250 mg tabs for pain.

Many Doctors do not treat pain in the USA. You are expected to deal with pain in your own fashion. As if it is not real. Real pain sucks more than I could imagine.
I suffered form severe hip pain for about 25 years. I kept going to doctors and getting sent off with prescriptions for NSAIDS that did nothing for the pain and tore my stomach up something awful.

I finally started seeing a nurse practitioner, and she sent me to a place where they had the latest high tech digital imaging. After one look at the pictures, and seeing bone on bone, I was sent to an orthopedic surgeon. He asked me how I was even able to walk. I politely pointed out how difficult it had been for me to walk into his office.

3 months later I had this:



That was 2 years ago last Christmas.

Most days I feel better than new. And it is those moments that keep my mind off of getting a K3.


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I am still a firm believer in aspirin and use it when necessary. Like any medicine it has its problems but they have been well understood for a very long time. I am not a fan of acetaminophen as it can result in liver damage when taken over a long period, even when taken in moderation. I do agree that it is one of the most dangerous OTC pain meds available. For me Ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) and Naproxen Sodium (Aleeve) are not real effective and have side effects of their own that are not well communicated.

But of course a K3 is even less effective on pain so I will not be buying one.
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Insurance would not cover it because I was still walking and earning money. I guess. They never gave me a written argument supporting their coverage choices.
The insurance companies have no interest in spending the money we give them in the for of premiums. They are all about making buttloads of money and not paying for the stuff they are being paid to cover. That way they maximize profits.

And then we cannot afford a K3.
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I feel bad for ortho patients. They're usually in a LOT of pain that's bone deep and you can't "run" from it. By that, I mean repositioning does very little for their discomfort.
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I feel bad for ortho patients. They're usually in a LOT of pain that's bone deep and you can't "run" from it. By that, I mean repositioning does very little for their discomfort.
Even after 2 years I still get pain in the femur where the stem is inserted (comes and goes), and the pelvis where the cup is placed (also comes and goes). But it is nowhere near as severe as the pain I had prior to the surgery.

So life is so so.

But not good enough to warrant a K3.
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Most patients do get better relief from replacement than other stop gap measures. The problem is that the replacement can be a potential mine field of poor outcomes, like infection, failure of the bone to heal around it, defective hardware, etc. Then, there's the limited lifespan of replacement joints. They really only last so many years before they begin to wear down too. And sometimes, the patient doesn't have enough bone to do a second replacement.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Racer X 69 Quote
I suffered form severe hip pain for about 25 years. I kept going to doctors and getting sent off with prescriptions for NSAIDS that did nothing for the pain and tore my stomach up something awful.

I finally started seeing a nurse practitioner, and she sent me to a place where they had the latest high tech digital imaging. After one look at the pictures, and seeing bone on bone, I was sent to an orthopedic surgeon. He asked me how I was even able to walk. I politely pointed out how difficult it had been for me to walk into his office.

3 months later I had this:



That was 2 years ago last Christmas.

Most days I feel better than new. And it is those moments that keep my mind off of getting a K3.
No x-rays to show for me.

I went to my GP 7 years after I shattered my right shoulder in a skiing accident. I told her I had constant pain of 3-6 on a scale of one to ten with occasional spikes to 8. She ordered an x-ray series and six weeks later I had a metal prosthetic joint. I saw the x-rays. The joint looked like an image out of a medical text, all craters and jaggies from arthritis.

Pain, yep, pain sucks. Amazingly, I was managing on ibuprofen alone and ibuprofen alone is not enough to make me want to buy a K-3.


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In Australia pain is not dealt with very well by the medical system. But at least our insurance systems enable one to see any doctor one chooses (GP is gatekeeper for referral to a specialist) and pay for whatever services are justified by the treating doctors as medically necessary. Insurance payments are either $x or y% of the actual cost, which ever is less, which usually means the $x for the service trumps. But if one can pull rank (such as "old school tie", doctors will 'bulk bill' which means $0 out of pocket.) My GP (a schoolmate one year after me once referred me to a specialist who was in my class - so first service I said "are you the NN I went to school with?" - "Yes" and he 'bulk billed' me ever after. That probably saved me one year of high school fees! And if that was not enough to save me that much the GP referred me to another specialist who he did know went to our school - and that has saved me at least the balance of one year of high school fees!

All this might make a K-3 affordable!

A couple of years ago I had a meeting at USC (LA area). The campus reminded me so much of the style of my HS.

But the main sponsor of my HS is a brewery - the boys are not allowed to consume the sponsor's (or competitors') products on campus.
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