why I won't buy a k3 (Warning: Satire Thread)

robtcorl · 12-12-2019, 03:45 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by MarkJerling

Time flies

Tell me about! Five years ago today Mrs Bob and I were at our son and daughter-in-laws wedding.
We've gained a bonus Bobby since then.

robtcorl · 12-12-2019, 03:55 PM - **3 Likes**

Otis, this one's for you, buddy!

Youtu.be

bertwert · 12-12-2019, 05:31 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by savoche

Yep, we have that here, too. One of them, Rjukan of "Heroes of Telemark" fame, has put up sun mirrors to reflect the sun into the town - and have cable cars going up to bring people up into the light from time to time. I have been there several times - not a place I could live.

Norway town lit up with giant solar mirrors - YouTube

Neat, using mirrors.

Good movie as well.

bertwert · 12-12-2019, 05:33 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MarkJerling

Please let's not go down the alarmist warming wormhole in this thread. Snow (and ice) cover on Kilimanjaro is seasonal and highly variable. The 2018 photos don't lie.

I'm going to disagree (and agree) with you Mark. Snow is variable, yes. Permanent ice (glaciers) are not variable to that extent, hence being called permanent. Your photos are the tail end of winter, so winter ice and snow still remains.

**CharLac** · 12-12-2019, 06:50 PM - **1 Like**

Well I have an early morning coming up too as I have meetings in the big city tomorrow. Good might all.

bertwert · 12-12-2019, 06:50 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by CharLac

Well I have an early morning coming up too as I have meetings in the big city tomorrow. Good might all.

Good might!

Racer X 69 · 12-12-2019, 07:23 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by savoche

Measured trend. Yes, they do have snow there from time to time. That doesn't stop the glacier from shrinking.

There was shrinkage?

You Tube

MarkJerling · 12-12-2019, 07:32 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bertwert

I'm going to disagree (and agree) with you Mark. Snow is variable, yes. Permanent ice (glaciers) are not variable to that extent, hence being called permanent. Your photos are the tail end of winter, so winter ice and snow still remains.

My comments were not in response to glaciers retreating, but to this photo which attempts to show a reduction in snow:

As the 2018 photo shows, this photo above proves nothing.

bertwert · 12-12-2019, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

My comments were not in response to glaciers retreating (or not), but to this photo which attempts to show a reduction in snow:

I see. I was talking about the retreat of glaciers, the amount of snowfall through the winter months may not be dramatically changed.

Originally posted by MarkJerling

As the 2018 photo shows, this photo above proves nothing.

Just wondering, are you saying the earlier photo (which Savoche shared) is faked...?

MarkJerling · 12-12-2019, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by bertwert

I see. I was talking about the retreat of glaciers, the amount of snowfall through the winter months may not be dramatically changed.

Just wondering, are you saying the earlier photo (which Savoche shared) is faked...?

No, I'm saying that snowfall is both seasonal and highly variable from year to year. That group of photos appear to have been arranged to imply that there has been a substantial reduction in snowfall from 1912 until more recently, while there are, naturally, high snowfall years and low snowfall years, as the 2018 photos show. In fact, 2019 is also proving to be a good snowfall year.

bertwert · 12-12-2019, 08:07 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MarkJerling

No, I'm saying that snowfall is both seasonal and highly variable from year to year. That group of photos appear to have been arranged to imply that there has been a substantial reduction in snowfall from 1912 until more recently, while there are, naturally, high snowfall years and low snowfall years, as the 2018 photos show. In fact, 2019 is also proving to be a good snowfall year.

Ah, I see. We were talking of different things, permanent glacial ice vs snowpack. I think the image (which Savoche shared) is misleading by saying "average snow area" when it should say the area of the glacier (as those figures pretty much check out while doing some quick searching). My original point (how many pages back now...?) was that the amount of permanent glacial ice was decreasing rapidly, and Savoche used that image to agree. It was probably a poor choice of image on his part due to the wording within it, and I'm sure he'll humbly agree to that... Coming from a country with numerous glaciers and heavy snowpack, I am well aware that different years yield different amounts of snow and are not correlated to the decrease of glacial ice. So we can agree that the glacier atop Kilimanjaro is decreasing in size and will soon be non-existent?

Racer X 69 · 12-12-2019, 08:13 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Racer X 69

On the wall of the building, behind and to the right of the news man, looks like a picture of a bacon, lettuce and tomato sammich!

All this talk about shrinkage and not one of you noticed the BLT picture in the video that Savoche posted.

Are we not bacon?

Well?

Dammit men!

MarkJerling · 12-12-2019, 08:14 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by bertwert

Ah, I see. We were talking of different things, permanent glacial ice vs snowpack. I think the image (which Savoche shared) is misleading by saying "average snow area" when it should say the area of the glacier (as those figures pretty much check out while doing some quick searching). My original point (how many pages back now...?) was that the amount of permanent glacial ice was decreasing rapidly, and Savoche used that image to agree. It was probably a poor choice of image on his part due to the wording within it, and I'm sure he'll humbly agree to that... Coming from a country with numerous glaciers and heavy snowpack, I am well aware that different years yield different amounts of snow and are not correlated to the decrease of glacial ice. So we can agree that the glacier atop Kilimanjaro is decreasing in size and will soon be non-existent?

Well, the glacier is 11,700 years old. It's been decreasing in size for a very, very long time. (We are coming out of an Ice Age after all.) The evidence seems to suggest that it's rate of shrinkage has increased. Now, as to the cause of that increase in rate of shrinkage: That's where it gets interesting. And I'll need to write an essay, so I'll pass.

MarkJerling · 12-12-2019, 08:16 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Racer X 69

All this talk about shrinkage and not one of you noticed the BLT picture in the video that Savoche posted.

Are we not bacon?

Well?

Dammit men!

Bacon is and bacon will be.

Racer X 69 · 12-12-2019, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

Well, the glacier is 11,700 years old. It's been decreasing in size for a very, very long time. (We are coming out of an Ice Age after all.) The evidence seems to suggest that it's rate of shrinkage has increased. Now, as to the cause of that increase in rate of shrinkage: That's where it gets interesting. And I'll need to write an essay, so I'll pass.

11,700 years.

That's a lot of birthdays.

12-12-2019, 07:32 PM - 1 Like	#73613
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,405	Originally posted by bertwert I'm going to disagree (and agree) with you Mark. Snow is variable, yes. Permanent ice (glaciers) are not variable to that extent, hence being called permanent. Your photos are the tail end of winter, so winter ice and snow still remains. My comments were not in response to glaciers retreating, but to this photo which attempts to show a reduction in snow: As the 2018 photo shows, this photo above proves nothing. Last edited by MarkJerling; 12-12-2019 at 07:44 PM.

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bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by savoche Yep, we have that here, too. One of them, Rjukan of "Heroes of Telemark" fame, has put up sun mirrors to reflect the sun into the town - and have cable cars going up to bring people up into the light from time to time. I have been there several times - not a place I could live. Norway town lit up with giant solar mirrors - YouTube Neat, using mirrors. Good movie as well.

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bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by MarkJerling Please let's not go down the alarmist warming wormhole in this thread. Snow (and ice) cover on Kilimanjaro is seasonal and highly variable. The 2018 photos don't lie. I'm going to disagree (and agree) with you Mark. Snow is variable, yes. Permanent ice (glaciers) are not variable to that extent, hence being called permanent. Your photos are the tail end of winter, so winter ice and snow still remains.

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CharLac Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Ottawa Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,419	Well I have an early morning coming up too as I have meetings in the big city tomorrow. Good might all.

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bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by CharLac Well I have an early morning coming up too as I have meetings in the big city tomorrow. Good might all. Good might!

12-12-2019, 07:48 PM	#73614
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by MarkJerling My comments were not in response to glaciers retreating (or not), but to this photo which attempts to show a reduction in snow: I see. I was talking about the retreat of glaciers, the amount of snowfall through the winter months may not be dramatically changed. Originally posted by MarkJerling As the 2018 photo shows, this photo above proves nothing. Just wondering, are you saying the earlier photo (which Savoche shared) is faked...?

12-12-2019, 07:53 PM	#73615
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,405	Originally posted by bertwert I see. I was talking about the retreat of glaciers, the amount of snowfall through the winter months may not be dramatically changed. Just wondering, are you saying the earlier photo (which Savoche shared) is faked...? No, I'm saying that snowfall is both seasonal and highly variable from year to year. That group of photos appear to have been arranged to imply that there has been a substantial reduction in snowfall from 1912 until more recently, while there are, naturally, high snowfall years and low snowfall years, as the 2018 photos show. In fact, 2019 is also proving to be a good snowfall year.

12-12-2019, 08:07 PM - 1 Like	#73616
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by MarkJerling No, I'm saying that snowfall is both seasonal and highly variable from year to year. That group of photos appear to have been arranged to imply that there has been a substantial reduction in snowfall from 1912 until more recently, while there are, naturally, high snowfall years and low snowfall years, as the 2018 photos show. In fact, 2019 is also proving to be a good snowfall year. Ah, I see. We were talking of different things, permanent glacial ice vs snowpack. I think the image (which Savoche shared) is misleading by saying "average snow area" when it should say the area of the glacier (as those figures pretty much check out while doing some quick searching). My original point (how many pages back now...?) was that the amount of permanent glacial ice was decreasing rapidly, and Savoche used that image to agree. It was probably a poor choice of image on his part due to the wording within it, and I'm sure he'll humbly agree to that... Coming from a country with numerous glaciers and heavy snowpack, I am well aware that different years yield different amounts of snow and are not correlated to the decrease of glacial ice. So we can agree that the glacier atop Kilimanjaro is decreasing in size and will soon be non-existent?

12-12-2019, 08:13 PM - 3 Likes	#73617
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,065	Originally posted by Racer X 69 On the wall of the building, behind and to the right of the news man, looks like a picture of a bacon, lettuce and tomato sammich! All this talk about shrinkage and not one of you noticed the BLT picture in the video that Savoche posted. Are we not bacon? Well? Dammit men!

12-12-2019, 08:14 PM - 2 Likes	#73618
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,405	Originally posted by bertwert Ah, I see. We were talking of different things, permanent glacial ice vs snowpack. I think the image (which Savoche shared) is misleading by saying "average snow area" when it should say the area of the glacier (as those figures pretty much check out while doing some quick searching). My original point (how many pages back now...?) was that the amount of permanent glacial ice was decreasing rapidly, and Savoche used that image to agree. It was probably a poor choice of image on his part due to the wording within it, and I'm sure he'll humbly agree to that... Coming from a country with numerous glaciers and heavy snowpack, I am well aware that different years yield different amounts of snow and are not correlated to the decrease of glacial ice. So we can agree that the glacier atop Kilimanjaro is decreasing in size and will soon be non-existent? Well, the glacier is 11,700 years old. It's been decreasing in size for a very, very long time. (We are coming out of an Ice Age after all.) The evidence seems to suggest that it's rate of shrinkage has increased. Now, as to the cause of that increase in rate of shrinkage: That's where it gets interesting. And I'll need to write an essay, so I'll pass.

12-12-2019, 08:16 PM - 2 Likes	#73619
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,405	Originally posted by Racer X 69 All this talk about shrinkage and not one of you noticed the BLT picture in the video that Savoche posted. Are we not bacon? Well? Dammit men! Bacon is and bacon will be.

12-12-2019, 08:17 PM	#73620
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,065	Originally posted by MarkJerling Well, the glacier is 11,700 years old. It's been decreasing in size for a very, very long time. (We are coming out of an Ice Age after all.) The evidence seems to suggest that it's rate of shrinkage has increased. Now, as to the cause of that increase in rate of shrinkage: That's where it gets interesting. And I'll need to write an essay, so I'll pass. 11,700 years. That's a lot of birthdays.

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