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11-23-2014, 10:11 AM   #11581
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jean Poitiers Quote

Who needs hociR when there are swaps
Surely, you have enough junk.....er.....moderately used equipment.

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I will send you a PM.

Who needs hociR when there are swaps like this (@ Tours today) ...





Oops ... sorry. Gear talk, but I am all giddy from my adventures ...
OK Jean. I can explain it all in a PM or email.
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Surely, you have enough junk.....er.....moderately used equipment.
This is not junk! Treasures, I tell you. Treasures! And stop calling me Shirley.




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What happened ... did I kill the thread with some gear images?! Nothing in over 24H ...

Sorry and RIP ... J

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Sorry and RIP
NON! Ce n'est pas mort, ce n'est pas mort!

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Flash... and you read it here first !!!

eviL hociR plot uncovered. Full frame cameras in multiple colors and formats displayed at Tours yesterday.

All wooden bodies which will deplete the rain forests !!!

Stop it now. Cut and paste to alert all.

Attach guised Internet proxy site for market testing ... http://www.lerouge-camera.fr/en/

Stop it now dead in its tracks !!!

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Rense has photos showing hills (SE of country?), so it is not completely flat. If you need to get higher, there are shops in Amsterdam that can help with that. Steve
I lived out on the West Coast, in San Francisco no less, for several years and I still never did that. I regret that. I should have before I moved back here. It's still illegal where I am now and penalties are stiff so I won't be going there until I move again. I'm considering WA state. I swear first week I am out there? I'm going to go and do it just to do it. I've been jokingly called "hippie" all my life because compared to everyone else in my family I'm a raving liberal. But nearly all of them have toked or eaten it and I have not. Only time I've ever been totally high was after the dentist yanked my wisdom teeth and after neck surgery when they gave me Oxy and I'm pretty sure doing grass is nothing like that experience. Opiods are rather evil, IMHO. I don't like taking them even when I have to. They don't really make me giddy or high or anything fun really. I just get nauseated and the pain dies down to a tolerable level. I definitely feel like I missed out on something when it comes to this, a life experience I should have had at some point...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jean Poitiers Quote
Flash... and you read it here first !!!

eviL hociR plot uncovered. Full frame cameras in multiple colors and formats displayed at Tours yesterday.

All wooden bodies which will deplete the rain forests !!!

Stop it now. Cut and paste to alert all.

Attach guised Internet proxy site for market testing ... Lerouge-camera

Stop it now dead in its tracks !!!


Looks like both a FF and aps-c size.

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The big one is obviously a 6x7. So it is coming!
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Only time I've ever been totally high was after the dentist yanked my wisdom teeth and after neck surgery when they gave me Oxy and I'm pretty sure doing grass is nothing like that experience. Opiods are rather evil, IMHO. I don't like taking them even when I have to. They don't really make me giddy or high or anything fun really. I just get nauseated and the pain dies down to a tolerable level.
I have been taking Oxycontin almost as long as it has been available. I use it to treat chronic neck, mid and low spinal pain. The physician who started me on it many years ago was a "pill pusher", a fact I did not know when I chose her name from the list of participating providers in the insurance plan directory. Every few months she would bump the dosage up, and at some point she also started giving me the instant release version for "breakthrough pain".

At some point I realized that I really did not need the drug at the dosage levels she had me on. I had been getting treatment for the low back pain as a result of an on the job injury, so there was a registered nurse who was managing the L&I case. I discussed this with her, and we decided that I should see a pain specialist and get started on a "pain cocktail" to wean me off of the Opiates.

The process of getting off of the pain meds was awful. Somehow there was miscommunication about just how much of the Opiates I had been taking daily, and the pain cocktail was too weak. This resulted in me going through withdrawals, a very unpleasant experience.

I did manage to get through it, and fired that doctor.

After kicking the pain meds I went about 6 months with nothing more than aspirin and Ibuprofen. The daily pain level was really too much for me, so I selected a different doctor (actually a nurse practitioner) from the insurance provider directory, made an appointment and discussed using the Oxycontin again for pain management. We talked about how I wanted to keep the dosage low, and resist the tendency to ramp it up as I developed a tolerance to it.

That was about 15 years ago, and I still take the stuff everyday. The nurse practitioner retired, and again I had to find another physician to work with and have a pain contract. Overall things have worked well. The dose has gone up, starting at 10mg, bumping to 20mg, 30mg, 40mg, and a couple years ago I voluntarily dropped back to 30mg.

I would like to get away from it completely, but as I age the degenerative disc disease has nearly crippled me, affecting every disc in my spine. It is most severe at the neck and lumbar areas, where I have had several bad injuries.

I hyper-extended my cervical spine way back in high school. I was doing somersaults on the trampoline in gym class. Going for a triple somersault I made it two and a half turns, landing upside down on the back of my head. The bounce tossed me onto the mat adjacent to the trampoline, unconscious. When I came to the entire class was standing in a circle around me, wondering if I was dead or not. Back then first aid was not like today, and as soon as I could I was directed to stand up and report to the school nurse, who called my mom. She came and took me to the hospital at the Navy base we lived on, and a corpsman (the Navy equivalent to a nurse) gave me a bottle of muscle relaxers and sent me home.

No x-ray, no examination, just the muscle relaxers.

I have injured the lumbar region of my spine numerous times over the years, and have two ruptured discs. All of the lumbar injuries have been work related. There has been countless visits with specialists, MRI's, etc.

I also had a compression fracture of two thoracic vertebrae, in the mid 1980's. Again. some x-rays, MRI's, lots of consults.

Not a single surgeon will admit that there is injury severe enough to warrant the risks of surgery.

So I am doomed to a life of using Opiates to control the chronic pain. Actually I do not view it as a bad thing like so many people do. For me, with judicious management, it is a way to have a reasonable quality of life, a way to be able to still function somewhat normally.

The most difficult part is the stigma that goes with the Oxycontin. The significant increase of abuse of it by those looking for a "high" does make using it for pain management troublesome. There are times when the pharmacy does not have enough to fill the prescription. There are times when I am traveling (this was especially problematic when I was driving a truck for a living and would be 3,000 miles from home when it was time to fill the prescription) when I will need to find a pharmacy that can fill it. My physicians have always been willing to write 3 prescriptions in advance and post date them, with the proviso that if I ever violate the pain contract they will not only never do that again, they will cancel the contract and I will be left out in the cold, with no one to manage the filling of the prescriptions.

One last thing to mention.

Except for when I was getting these meds through that first doctor, the pill pusher who had me taking large quantities of the stuff, I rarely feel a "high" form them. One physician I consulted with put it like this: "If your have real and true pain, you will not feel the euphoric effects of the medication."

Oxycontin does not make me drowsy. It does not affect my ability to function, operate vehicles or machinery, except to enable me to do those things without pain, or at least to do so with a greatly reduced degree of pain.

As I said, I expect that I will take it for the rest of my days.

And I am OK with that.
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I'm considering WA state.
I live in Washington state and Oregon (newly legal) is just across the river. I don't toke or nibble, but as near as I can tell not much as changed except that the medical "clinics" cater to the bulk users and the legal retail outlets are aiming for a higher demographic...think jewelry store as opposed to convenience store. That being said, the City of Seattle, famous for instructing the police to not enforce marijuana laws, is now actively threatening prosecution of medical pot "clinics" as retail (taxable) operations in the guise of (non-taxed) dispensary.

If you choose to visit and try the goods, conventional wisdom is to avoid nibbling unless you have some guidance as to dose.


Steve

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The dose has gone up, starting at 10mg, bumping to 20mg, 30mg, 40mg, and a couple years ago I voluntarily dropped back to 30mg.
That is the problem with opiates. The body adapts to the dosage (habituates) and despite addiction, the higher dosages no longer help the pain. All they do is satisfy the beast. At least that is what my barber tells me. He is in his tenth year of addiction, has been unsuccessful at recovery, is on oral MS-Contin (time-release morphine sulphate...little blue pills) for the original injury (shoulder), and is still in pain.

I feel so incredibly blessed that I managed to dodge the addiction bullet despite intractable pain for years following having my right shoulder shattered in a skiing accident. There are ways to deal with the discomfort (3-5 on the 10 point scale continuously and spiking 8-10 if I moved wrong) without a constant supply of drugs. On my own, I found that I could treat it as background noise in the business of daily being. My understanding is that approach is a one of several used by professional pain counselors. I finally had the shoulder replaced with metal parts and the ongoing discomfort is much less. Woo! Hoo!

I am sure the hociR had a hand in all of this somewhere. The K-3 is a little on the heavy side and leaves me sore, so that is probably another good reason to not buy.


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I have been taking Oxycontin almost as long as it has been available. I use it to treat chronic neck, mid and low spinal pain. The physician who started me on it many years ago was a "pill pusher", a fact I did not know when I chose her name from the list of participating providers in the insurance plan directory. Every few months she would bump the dosage up, and at some point she also started giving me the instant release version for "breakthrough pain".

At some point I realized that I really did not need the drug at the dosage levels she had me on. I had been getting treatment for the low back pain as a result of an on the job injury, so there was a registered nurse who was managing the L&I case. I discussed this with her, and we decided that I should see a pain specialist and get started on a "pain cocktail" to wean me off of the Opiates.

The process of getting off of the pain meds was awful. Somehow there was miscommunication about just how much of the Opiates I had been taking daily, and the pain cocktail was too weak. This resulted in me going through withdrawals, a very unpleasant experience.

I did manage to get through it, and fired that doctor.

After kicking the pain meds I went about 6 months with nothing more than aspirin and Ibuprofen. The daily pain level was really too much for me, so I selected a different doctor (actually a nurse practitioner) from the insurance provider directory, made an appointment and discussed using the Oxycontin again for pain management. We talked about how I wanted to keep the dosage low, and resist the tendency to ramp it up as I developed a tolerance to it.

That was about 15 years ago, and I still take the stuff everyday. The nurse practitioner retired, and again I had to find another physician to work with and have a pain contract. Overall things have worked well. The dose has gone up, starting at 10mg, bumping to 20mg, 30mg, 40mg, and a couple years ago I voluntarily dropped back to 30mg.

I would like to get away from it completely, but as I age the degenerative disc disease has nearly crippled me, affecting every disc in my spine. It is most severe at the neck and lumbar areas, where I have had several bad injuries.

I hyper-extended my cervical spine way back in high school. I was doing somersaults on the trampoline in gym class. Going for a triple somersault I made it two and a half turns, landing upside down on the back of my head. The bounce tossed me onto the mat adjacent to the trampoline, unconscious. When I came to the entire class was standing in a circle around me, wondering if I was dead or not. Back then first aid was not like today, and as soon as I could I was directed to stand up and report to the school nurse, who called my mom. She came and took me to the hospital at the Navy base we lived on, and a corpsman (the Navy equivalent to a nurse) gave me a bottle of muscle relaxers and sent me home.

No x-ray, no examination, just the muscle relaxers.

I have injured the lumbar region of my spine numerous times over the years, and have two ruptured discs. All of the lumbar injuries have been work related. There has been countless visits with specialists, MRI's, etc.

I also had a compression fracture of two thoracic vertebrae, in the mid 1980's. Again. some x-rays, MRI's, lots of consults.

Not a single surgeon will admit that there is injury severe enough to warrant the risks of surgery.

So I am doomed to a life of using Opiates to control the chronic pain. Actually I do not view it as a bad thing like so many people do. For me, with judicious management, it is a way to have a reasonable quality of life, a way to be able to still function somewhat normally.

The most difficult part is the stigma that goes with the Oxycontin. The significant increase of abuse of it by those looking for a "high" does make using it for pain management troublesome. There are times when the pharmacy does not have enough to fill the prescription. There are times when I am traveling (this was especially problematic when I was driving a truck for a living and would be 3,000 miles from home when it was time to fill the prescription) when I will need to find a pharmacy that can fill it. My physicians have always been willing to write 3 prescriptions in advance and post date them, with the proviso that if I ever violate the pain contract they will not only never do that again, they will cancel the contract and I will be left out in the cold, with no one to manage the filling of the prescriptions.

One last thing to mention.

Except for when I was getting these meds through that first doctor, the pill pusher who had me taking large quantities of the stuff, I rarely feel a "high" form them. One physician I consulted with put it like this: "If your have real and true pain, you will not feel the euphoric effects of the medication."

Oxycontin does not make me drowsy. It does not affect my ability to function, operate vehicles or machinery, except to enable me to do those things without pain, or at least to do so with a greatly reduced degree of pain.

As I said, I expect that I will take it for the rest of my days.

And I am OK with that.
I've had one doctor in my life treat me properly for chronic pain and I only got Darvocet then Vicodin out of him, and even then not long term. My one brother is on Vico but he refuses to take them most of the time. I have been known to steal his, and yes, he's fine with that. :P He knows I hurt badly and that my one doctor that's left is a freaking sadist when it comes to pain management. I have several autoimmune diseases and a lot of pain from that plus I have also had neck and back surgery several times now. There are days when I can barely breathe let alone walk it's so bad.

The Darvo I liked. I never got high on it but it totally killed whatever pain I was on. The Vico are a last resort thing with me. I only take them when I am in bed with massive pain and I can only take 2 a day for like 2 days at a time or I will end up not being able to go to the bathroom. They work kind of but they bind me up, all opioid meds do so I have to be really careful about using them. I liked the Oxy actually. It was great. It did not mess with me at all and it killed the pain dead. But my doctor at the time would not leave me on it. She was against using the stuff except after surgery.

I can't take NSAIDS because I've got severe problems with my digestive system because of my autoimmune thing. I will literally bleed on Ibuprofen and that. My whole digestive system just ulcerates. Usually I don't do much except Tylenol arthritis once a day. That barely makes a dent but that's about the only medication I can take every day, though even that I have to limit because too much can mess with my liver. My liver is apparently a bit pissy, shrug. It doesn't like alcohol much either.

You know it's funny I always read about these pill pusher doctors but I've never known one. Most of mine have been so anti anything that it's been miserable. I was on Oxy for quite a few months. One pill a day, that was all I ever needed. I had a big bottle of them after surgery. Plus I had a refill. Those two bottles they lasted me over a year. I did miss the stuff when I didn't have it anymore though. Other than the Darvo it was the only thing I've ever taken that made the pain stop completely and it was better even.

I joke about wanting to get high on grass, but actually it's not the high I'm looking for. I'm getting to the point where I have a lot of neuro stuff going on as well as a lot of pain. I have MS like symptoms plus the major pain. Lots of cramps and tremors going on, particularly in my hands and feet. I've been told using MJ might help with that. I don't actually have MS. I have Lupus, SS, Chron's etc, but the symptoms can be a lot like MS sometimes and MJ does help people with that a lot. I was hoping that my state would approve medical MJ soon, but it doesn't look like it's ever going to fly here.

For now I'm just going to have to deal. I don't know any dealers and even if I did trying to get any illegally here just isn't quite worth the potential prison sentence. They're really tough on MJ use here. They actually do go after you quite hard for possession, even if it's only for an ounce. But when I get out to WA finally? I'm definitely going to try eating it. I probably can't smoke it, bad lungs, but likely I can manage a piece of a pot brownie okay and I fully intend to try. If a 1/4 of a pot brownie once or twice a day will enable me to have a relatively pain free life? I'm way cool with the idea. I'm sick of being in pain all the time. It sucks....
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I've had one doctor in my life treat me properly for chronic pain and I only got Darvocet then Vicodin out of him, and even then not long term.
Darvocet and Vicodin (and similar drugs like Percocet) are a mixture of drugs. Each has a small amount of the narcotic pain reliever, and a huge dose of acetaminophen (Tylenol). The Tylenol activates and enhances the opiate in the medicine. We all know that Tylenol is very hard on our liver, as well as having other bad side effects.

So this is one reason why many physicians tend to limit the length of time patients use these combination drugs.

Also, Darvocet was removed from the US market in 2010.
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That is the problem with opiates. The body adapts to the dosage (habituates) and despite addiction, the higher dosages no longer help the pain.
Let's be clear about the difference between dependence and addiction.

Simply stated:

Addiction is compulsive drug use despite harmful consequences.

Physical Dependence is the body's adaptation to a particular drug.

We could go on, and break this down in even more detail, but really, as I have described it here, the differences are clear.

For sure, I am dependent on Oxycontin. I have built up a tolerance to the drug, and there are days when it does not help, but most days it works adequately. I really do not wish to raise the dose, but I also cannot imagine life without it. There may come a tie when I will need to stop taking it for six months or so, to clear my system of it, but it will still be something that I will need to return to, unless there is something to replace it that works as well as it does.
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Reading you people writing about such long term pain killer use makes me almost feel pain again. Thankfully I have only had great pain on two occasions. The first was fixed with a surgical procedure and the second with antibiotics. The pain was clearly a sign of some other disorder but I cannot imagine having to put up with pain like I had for a long time. But I have had to help some people with severe pain that goes on for several months. That gives a glimpse of the sort of thing you have.
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