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01-09-2015, 08:33 PM   #13411
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I bet your co-workers didn't do the paint job!
It is entirely possible that the planes owned by that airline have been repainted since new. But every plane that rolls out of the final assembly hangar bears whatever finish the customer wishes before it is delivered.

I have lived and worked near the factory I now work in since 1970. Over the years I have passed by the place many thousands of times, and seen many liveries. Even though I have stopped a few times where I could see and photograph some, I can't help but wish I had stopped and made photos of more. It has always awed me how many different ways people can throw paint on something in so many interesting combinations of color and pattern.

And since they were originally manufactured there, every now and then the 747 aircraft used for the Air Force One fleet are flown in for whatever it is that gets done that the Air Force can't or doesn't do in the SAC base in Nebraska where they maintain them.

A friend who used to work at one of the delivery centers that my employer has told me when an airline takes delivery a full crew is flown in, boards the plane and the very first flight is directly to the nearest airport they operate out of to take on the first load of passengers or freight. After the customer makes the final inspection the plane is fueled, the crew boards and prepares for flight, is pushed away and takes to the skies.
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Nope. Was only joking about Bob Dylan. My "Who" was in reference to the Lilly Tomlin talk we had a few pages back.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Racer X 69 Quote

A friend who used to work at one of the delivery centers that my employer has told me when an airline takes delivery a full crew is flown in, boards the plane and the very first flight is directly to the nearest airport they operate out of to take on the first load of passengers or freight. After the customer makes the final inspection the plane is fueled, the crew boards and prepares for flight, is pushed away and takes to the skies.
So that trip from the manufacturer to the nearest airport is the first test flight?
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So that trip from the manufacturer to the nearest airport is the first test flight?
No, by the time the planes are ready for delivery they have been through functional checks of every system, including the first shakedown flight(s). Usually they have flown at least once before the final painting is done. For the all aluminum models they may appear odd to those who are unfamiliar with the manufacturing process. Until they are painted any exterior aluminum surfaces are coated with a green protective "finish". This is removed just prior to the prep for paint in the paint hangar.

The 787 Dreamliner is assembled from components manufactured in many different parts of the world which are then shipped to one of two final assembly points, Charleston, South Carolina, and Everett, Washington. The majority of those components are delivered with whatever base finish that is specified by the customer. Those components that are not yet finished are coated with a UV protective coating, to prevent damage to the carbon fiber structure until the final finish is applied.

I know that some planes are flown elsewhere for the final paint, and then returned to the delivery center to get a final once over before getting handed over to the customer.

I guess when a customer is spending close to $300,000,000 for an airplane they get whatever they want, eh?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Racer X 69 Quote
Until they are painted any exterior aluminum surfaces are coated with a green protective "finish". This is removed just prior to the prep for paint in the paint hangar.
Most people don't realize that aluminum oxidizes; and it does so quite rapidly. It is a very thin layer, and discolors the metal very little so is nearly invisible. Except under extreme conditions it remains superficial and does no harm but it really interferes with paint being able to stick.

For bonus points: What common gemstone is made of aluminum oxide, and what's its hardness on the Mohs scale?

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No, that is PF (pomme frites)...


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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ! (add thick French accent)

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Here's one of my two cats. He's a19lb Maine Coon
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Most people don't realize that aluminum oxidizes; and it does so quite rapidly. It is a very thin layer, and discolors the metal very little so is nearly invisible. Except under extreme conditions it remains superficial and does no harm but it really interferes with paint being able to stick.

For bonus points: What common gemstone is made of aluminum oxide, and what's its hardness on the Mohs scale?
What is sapphire?

Don't know its hardness on a scale, but it's up there with diamond, isn't it?
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Sapphire is about 9-9.2 and Diamond is 10 on the Mohs scale.
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Here's one of my two cats. He's a19lb Maine Coon
Kitten torture ... as the previous one, another SMC F 35-70/3.5-4.5 ... oops, gear talk

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It's amazing what pets will tolerate from kids that and adult wouldn't get away with, isn't it?
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It's amazing what pets will tolerate from kids that and adult wouldn't get away with, isn't it?
Oui ... and it's still going on. But, not quite to that degree ... thankfully.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
Most people don't realize that aluminum oxidizes; and it does so quite rapidly. It is a very thin layer, and discolors the metal very little so is nearly invisible. Except under extreme conditions it remains superficial and does no harm but it really interferes with paint being able to stick.

For bonus points: What common gemstone is made of aluminum oxide, and what's its hardness on the Mohs scale?
Sapphire and 9 if I recall my long ago mineralogy class correctly...

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