why I won't buy a k3 (Warning: Satire Thread)

**savoche** · 12-12-2015, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Racer X 69

Looks like the view when composing a shot with my Cambo.

Upside down and backwards.

Really?

You have text in your view finder?

Oh well.

Cheers!

normhead · 12-12-2015, 11:49 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Racer X 69

And we now know why it was important to know algebra.

When I took course in Lens design back in the 60s, I always thought it was the most useless course ever. "I want to use lenses not design them." Who knew years later I'd be talking to bunch of blow hards who've read a few blogs on the internet and think they know everything there is to know about lenses. Without that course I would have had no idea when someone was doing a snow job.

You never know when the useless parts of your education are going to come in handy.

**savoche** · 12-12-2015, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by normhead

When I took course in Lens design back in the 60s, I always thought it was the most useless course ever. "I want to use lenses not design them." Who knew years later I'd be talking to bunch of blow hards who've read a few blogs on the internet and think they know everything there is to know about lenses. Without that course I would have had no idea when someone was doing a snow job.

You never know when the useless parts of your education are going to come in handy.

Wait. Are you saying that the experts over in N&R can be (*gasp*) wrong?!

I don't know what to say...

normhead · 12-12-2015, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by savoche

Wait. Are you saying that the experts over in N&R can be (*gasp*) wrong?!

I don't know what to say...

I'm just glad there are a few real lens designers here, to get the inside scoop , when I know the "experts" here are wrong but I can't quite figure out why.

Even with their help, it took me two years to figure out how a couple of FF guys were fudging the numbers so that FF always came out "better."

Parallax · 12-12-2015, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Jean Poitiers

Turn your monitor over.

**THoog** · 12-12-2015, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Racer X 69

And we now know why it was important to know algebra.

Well, Jean DID ask if the 1.5 crop factor made him 1.5 times better or worse a photog. Like I tell my managers, never ask an engineer a question with numbers in it.

**THoog** · 12-12-2015, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by normhead

Even with their help, it took me two years to figure out how a couple of FF guys were fudging the numbers so that FF always came out "better."

I have a theory (oh boy, here we go) that some of the most outspoken FF guys are just really bad at math and have never forgiven the crop camera makers for forcing them to do multiplication in their heads. The fudged lens numbers, the cost-of-production arguments that just don't make sense, the unrealistic price predictions for bodies and lenses - there seems to be a consistent problem.

Last edited by THoog; 12-12-2015 at 01:12 PM.

normhead · 12-12-2015, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by THoog

I have a theory (oh boy, here we go) that some of the most outspoken FF guys are just really bad at math and have never forgiven the crop camera makers for forcing them to do multiplication in their heads. The fudged lens numbers, the cost-of-production arguments that just don't make sense, the unrealistic price predictions for bodies and lenses - there seems to be a consistent problem.

It's more than that, it's also having very little experience with multiple formats. Once you've seen the contact print from a 4x5 view camera and the level of detail, anyone talking about superior IQ taken on a 35x23 sensor is actually pretty funny. But you just can't get them to see the humour.

dansamy · 12-12-2015, 01:58 PM

So, I unboxed the K-S1. Omg! That's almost exactly perfect! It's got the smallish form factor of the K-01. OVF. I haven't turned it on to play with its controls yet. The battery is charging. But the controls look more like a higher PnS. I can definitely see what Pentax was trying to do: entice superzoom users into buying a K mount camera, maybe eventually graduating to a full size DSLR. And for $179 after I send off for the rebate, YES, I STOLE IT!

**THoog** · 12-12-2015, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by normhead

It's more than that, it's also having very little experience with multiple formats. Once you've seen the contact print from a 4x5 view camera and the level of detail, anyone talking about superior IQ taken on a 35x23 sensor is actually pretty funny. But you just can't get them to see the humour.

I've poked around in some of the US- Civil War photos in the Library of Congress online collection (I think it's LoC), and the detail in some of those glass-plate photos is astonishing. For instance, a shot of the sand mounds and front gate of Fort Fisher after the battle - you zoom in enough, there's a work party in shirtsleeves standing around with their coats draped over a rail, unaware of the photographer. You can't see them at all in the zoomed-out view. There's another one from Charleston that appears to be some guys standing on a beach, but if you zoom on the cloud on the horizon, there are four or five monitors and a large ship (USS New Ironsides), clearly in action against Fort Sumter.

**savoche** · 12-12-2015, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by dansamy

So, I unboxed the K-S1. Omg! That's almost exactly perfect! It's got the smallish form factor of the K-01. OVF. I haven't turned it on to play with its controls yet. The battery is charging. But the controls look more like a higher PnS. I can definitely see what Pentax was trying to do: entice superzoom users into buying a K mount camera, maybe eventually graduating to a full size DSLR. And for $179 after I send off for the rebate, YES, I STOLE IT!

Good thing that kind of deals can't happen over here, or I would be having way too many cameras

Yes, good thing...

**THoog** · 12-12-2015, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by dansamy

So, I unboxed the K-S1. Omg! That's almost exactly perfect! It's got the smallish form factor of the K-01. OVF. I haven't turned it on to play with its controls yet. The battery is charging. But the controls look more like a higher PnS. I can definitely see what Pentax was trying to do: entice superzoom users into buying a K mount camera, maybe eventually graduating to a full size DSLR. And for $179 after I send off for the rebate, YES, I STOLE IT!

Yep, it's a classic Pentax "entry-level" DSLR, very much in the mindset of the K-x, just with a slightly unconventional layout.

Well, I've bagged up my 'star' lenses (the ones that make pretty stars, that is), and I'm heading out to see if I can shoot some Christmas lights.

dansamy · 12-12-2015, 02:40 PM

It's smaller than the K-x though. Kind of between the K-x & the K-01. Stupid weird battery. Impatiently waiting for the light to turn off...

Jean Poitiers · 12-12-2015, 03:42 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by dansamy

It's smaller than the K-x though. Kind of between the K-x & the K-01. Stupid weird battery. Impatiently waiting for the light to turn off...

Hit it hard with a hammer. That should make that pesky light go out.

Parallax · 12-12-2015, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Jean Poitiers

Hit it hard with a hammer. That should make that pesky light go out.

There are very few problems in life that cannot be resolved by enough money or a large hammer.

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12-12-2015, 11:45 AM	#21541
savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,311	Originally posted by Racer X 69 Looks like the view when composing a shot with my Cambo. Upside down and backwards. Really? You have text in your view finder? Oh well. Cheers!

12-12-2015, 11:49 AM - 1 Like	#21542
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Racer X 69 And we now know why it was important to know algebra. When I took course in Lens design back in the 60s, I always thought it was the most useless course ever. "I want to use lenses not design them." Who knew years later I'd be talking to bunch of blow hards who've read a few blogs on the internet and think they know everything there is to know about lenses. Without that course I would have had no idea when someone was doing a snow job. You never know when the useless parts of your education are going to come in handy.

12-12-2015, 12:08 PM	#21543
savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,311	Originally posted by normhead When I took course in Lens design back in the 60s, I always thought it was the most useless course ever. "I want to use lenses not design them." Who knew years later I'd be talking to bunch of blow hards who've read a few blogs on the internet and think they know everything there is to know about lenses. Without that course I would have had no idea when someone was doing a snow job. You never know when the useless parts of your education are going to come in handy. Wait. Are you saying that the experts over in N&R can be (gasp) wrong?! I don't know what to say...

12-12-2015, 12:16 PM	#21544
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by savoche Wait. Are you saying that the experts over in N&R can be (gasp) wrong?! I don't know what to say... I'm just glad there are a few real lens designers here, to get the inside scoop , when I know the "experts" here are wrong but I can't quite figure out why. Even with their help, it took me two years to figure out how a couple of FF guys were fudging the numbers so that FF always came out "better."

12-12-2015, 12:40 PM	#21545
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by Jean Poitiers Turn your monitor over.

12-12-2015, 12:47 PM	#21546
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by Racer X 69 And we now know why it was important to know algebra. Well, Jean DID ask if the 1.5 crop factor made him 1.5 times better or worse a photog. Like I tell my managers, never ask an engineer a question with numbers in it.

12-12-2015, 12:59 PM	#21547
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by normhead Even with their help, it took me two years to figure out how a couple of FF guys were fudging the numbers so that FF always came out "better." I have a theory (oh boy, here we go) that some of the most outspoken FF guys are just really bad at math and have never forgiven the crop camera makers for forcing them to do multiplication in their heads. The fudged lens numbers, the cost-of-production arguments that just don't make sense, the unrealistic price predictions for bodies and lenses - there seems to be a consistent problem. Last edited by THoog; 12-12-2015 at 01:12 PM.

12-12-2015, 01:35 PM	#21548
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by THoog I have a theory (oh boy, here we go) that some of the most outspoken FF guys are just really bad at math and have never forgiven the crop camera makers for forcing them to do multiplication in their heads. The fudged lens numbers, the cost-of-production arguments that just don't make sense, the unrealistic price predictions for bodies and lenses - there seems to be a consistent problem. It's more than that, it's also having very little experience with multiple formats. Once you've seen the contact print from a 4x5 view camera and the level of detail, anyone talking about superior IQ taken on a 35x23 sensor is actually pretty funny. But you just can't get them to see the humour.

12-12-2015, 01:58 PM	#21549
dansamy Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,450	So, I unboxed the K-S1. Omg! That's almost exactly perfect! It's got the smallish form factor of the K-01. OVF. I haven't turned it on to play with its controls yet. The battery is charging. But the controls look more like a higher PnS. I can definitely see what Pentax was trying to do: entice superzoom users into buying a K mount camera, maybe eventually graduating to a full size DSLR. And for $179 after I send off for the rebate, YES, I STOLE IT!

12-12-2015, 02:03 PM	#21550
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by normhead It's more than that, it's also having very little experience with multiple formats. Once you've seen the contact print from a 4x5 view camera and the level of detail, anyone talking about superior IQ taken on a 35x23 sensor is actually pretty funny. But you just can't get them to see the humour. I've poked around in some of the US- Civil War photos in the Library of Congress online collection (I think it's LoC), and the detail in some of those glass-plate photos is astonishing. For instance, a shot of the sand mounds and front gate of Fort Fisher after the battle - you zoom in enough, there's a work party in shirtsleeves standing around with their coats draped over a rail, unaware of the photographer. You can't see them at all in the zoomed-out view. There's another one from Charleston that appears to be some guys standing on a beach, but if you zoom on the cloud on the horizon, there are four or five monitors and a large ship (USS New Ironsides), clearly in action against Fort Sumter.

12-12-2015, 02:14 PM	#21551
savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,311	Originally posted by dansamy So, I unboxed the K-S1. Omg! That's almost exactly perfect! It's got the smallish form factor of the K-01. OVF. I haven't turned it on to play with its controls yet. The battery is charging. But the controls look more like a higher PnS. I can definitely see what Pentax was trying to do: entice superzoom users into buying a K mount camera, maybe eventually graduating to a full size DSLR. And for $179 after I send off for the rebate, YES, I STOLE IT! Good thing that kind of deals can't happen over here, or I would be having way too many cameras Yes, good thing...

12-12-2015, 02:18 PM	#21552
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by dansamy So, I unboxed the K-S1. Omg! That's almost exactly perfect! It's got the smallish form factor of the K-01. OVF. I haven't turned it on to play with its controls yet. The battery is charging. But the controls look more like a higher PnS. I can definitely see what Pentax was trying to do: entice superzoom users into buying a K mount camera, maybe eventually graduating to a full size DSLR. And for $179 after I send off for the rebate, YES, I STOLE IT! Yep, it's a classic Pentax "entry-level" DSLR, very much in the mindset of the K-x, just with a slightly unconventional layout. Well, I've bagged up my 'star' lenses (the ones that make pretty stars, that is), and I'm heading out to see if I can shoot some Christmas lights.

12-12-2015, 02:40 PM	#21553
dansamy Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,450	It's smaller than the K-x though. Kind of between the K-x & the K-01. Stupid weird battery. Impatiently waiting for the light to turn off...

12-12-2015, 03:42 PM - 2 Likes	#21554
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076	Originally posted by dansamy It's smaller than the K-x though. Kind of between the K-x & the K-01. Stupid weird battery. Impatiently waiting for the light to turn off... Hit it hard with a hammer. That should make that pesky light go out.

12-12-2015, 04:03 PM	#21555
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by Jean Poitiers Hit it hard with a hammer. That should make that pesky light go out. There are very few problems in life that cannot be resolved by enough money or a large hammer.