Originally posted by jsherman999 Two things - you don't have tens of thousands of shutter actuations with a FF camera under your belt to compare to the tens of thousands of aps-c shutter actuations you've also done, which allows some added insight. I don't hold that against you in any way, but it's hard for me to come up with a few paragraphs in threads here or there that come close to recreating that experience. You'll have to forgive my brevity and the annoyance that comes from having to repeat myself. Second: I really mean it about the use-case deal. Instead of getting mad, try to see how your uses for it could be vastly different than someone else's. That really is good advice and is meant as such.
It's only going to be 'outside the limits of human perception' when the shooting conditions have leveled the playing field quite a bit. (think of all the things we've seen like: "Nokia camera phone equals DSLR output, thus it can replace DSLR, see these ideal images for proof!")
I'd summarize a pass on FF as: "When, in your most common shooting situations, the difference in IQ or body performance is not enough to justify the size/weight/cost delta."
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With all due respect jay, You're comparing a K20D to a D800. I'm not sure that's at all relevant. We're talking about a k-3 and a D600. A valid FF to APS-c to FF comparison because they are both 24 MP reducing non-format issues such as more resolution because of MPs to a minimum. I went from a k20D to a K-5. Is your bliss with your D800 more than my bliss with my K-5? Could we even measure that or even try?
OK, shooting the heaviest lens you choose to carry, and in a situation where you don't use the area of the sensor bigger than the crop sensor, because you're shooting wildlife or objects at a distance, in good light, you're going to get a superior image using APS-c than you do with a D800. You have to decide if what you get in less DoF and higher resolution in the whole sensor, is worth giving up higher resolution in the crop area of the crop sensor. It's not about one system being better all the time. it's about giving up an area where one system excels in IQ, to get something where the other system excels in IQ.
You aren't giving up IQ for weight. You're giving up IQ in one circumstance for IQ in another circumstance. For me it's all about the IQ in wildlife images.
For you it's all about the lack of noise (and noise can be acceptable in some images) in low light.
But for any given lens, I can get better IQ in the area of the crop sensor, than you can with your D800. At least every lw/ph measurement I've seen says so.