Originally posted by normhead Well actually, no, for those of us for whom wider DoF is critical, straight up comparisons are what we want. We want to know, ƒ5.6 on APS-c compared to ƒ5.6 on FF, because ƒ5.6 is usually the sweet spot for lw/ph, we want to know which gives us more DoF at that point, this crazy notion of less DoF at a given Aperture is better, 95% of the time is total hogwash.
My last series of mushroom shots, I didn't have the DoF I wanted at ƒ22. How would having a full frame have helped me? I took 4 photos each at ƒ stops 2.8, 5.6, 11, and 22. 10 shots, The keepers, 5 @ƒ22, 4 @ ƒ 11, 1 @ ƒ 5.6. You have to get this narrower DoF is good thing out of your head. 95% of the time it's not. Next some clown will come on here and say "well you could always have gone to ƒ32 on FF. Well, the lens, which is an FF lens, doesn't go to ƒ 32, so no, I couldn't have done the same thing by going to ƒ32 on FF.
My comment was regarding ISO noise, not DOF, and at any rate these test pictures have nothing to do with shooting at f/22. They are meant to show how well the K-3 matches a FF camera or bests it. Each format has it's obvious strengths but the starting point for any comparison is where they overlap when trying to take the exact same picture.
The D600 clearly beats the K-3 at ISO 12800 where the same aperture settings were used and my comment was meant to read that if the K-3 lens was set to f/2.8 (to match DOF of the 85mm @f/4) in ALL relevant pictures then the K-3's ISO could have been set one stop slower and the K-3 would have then matched the IQ (DOF, FOV and noise) with the D600 still set to the higher ISO and smaller aperture. Perhaps interchanging a stop of the lens with one stop ISO could be the subject of another comparison run?
Judging these pictures as if they are the same is faulty methodology as they are clearly NOT the same where DOF is concerned.
IMO the idea should have been to see how THE SAME PICTURE turns out in each format (i.e. alter ISO to compensate for 1 stop faster lens setting).
What's the point of making a comparison if you aren't trying to take the same photograph? And by that I mean DOF, FOV and lighting.
PS> @ Norm: I don't know where you get the idea that I'm after the most shallow DOF possible. I wasn't remotely discussing that at all in my original post. And BTW, I quite often use my AF-S 300 F4 Nikon lens for close-up stuff.. it can go down to f/32 but I doubt I'd ever use it seriously in that capacity.