K3 sample shots ... post here !

**jbinpg** · 11-06-2013, 12:51 AM

This also pertains to Painter's recent post re. composite + interval shooting with the K-3. I just wanted to explore the composite side of the combo so I set the K-3 on a tripod in my dimly lit living room and adjusted settings to guarantee an ISO25600 shot. First image is SOOC with only base curve applied in pp. Second image is an ISO25600 22-shot composite in average mode of the same scene. What noise? This isn't news but I wanted to bring this to the attention of those new to Pentax DSLRs.

Jack

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Barry Pearson · 11-06-2013, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Brew1brew

Barry, To my eyes, the k3 shot at 51200 is under exposed, therfore noise will be higher.

edit: yes, checking the exif data, the K3 shot was at 1/180, the K5II shot was at 1/125 both at f5.6

Originally posted by jsherman999

I think your own tests are probably closer to the truth, as they track closer to what DXOMark found when they compared the new 24MP D7100 to the 16MP D7000.

I don't know what's going on with those original IR samples. I wonder what firmware they had.

Originally posted by Brew1brew

also, the 6400 shot has different exposures, K3 is 1/20th and the K5II is 1/15th, so again the shot that is under exposed is going to show more noise.

Edit: same at iso 100, K3 3sec and k5 4sec

Originally posted by rawr

So your conclusions in one sentence are (tell me if I'm wrong): the Imaging Resource image samples make the K-3 look noiser than it is, perhaps due to some issues with colour balance or in-camera settings.

Your samples certainly look cleaner than the IR ones.

Thanks to all of you. I had to go away for a few days (back now) and felt that I had to publish my updated conclusions rather than just leave the earlier misleading results. But I didn't have time to analyse the results before departing.

Yes - the K-3 is giving slightly less exposure than the K-5IIs. (Why?) Perhaps this is enough to make the difference.

Earlier I had thought I would use the K-5IIs for (rare) very high ISO shots. Now I think I'll use the K-3 anyway. The noise is probably about the same, but in dim light conditions the other advantages of the K-3 will probably make it better. Shooting at very high ISOs probably means shooting in extreme conditions, where I might be choosing lenses for maximum aperture then cropping later, or needing the slightly brighter viewfinder, or needing all the help I can get from AF, or using exposure bracketing, which appears to be much faster with the K-3.

I have no regrets about buying the K-3 even though I have the K-5IIs. It is simply a well re-thought camera which will be seen to be an significant leap forward.

Quicksand · 11-06-2013, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

Yes - the K-3 is giving slightly less exposure than the K-5IIs. (Why?) Perhaps this is enough to make the difference.

I remember all the complaining about the K20d and how it tended to underexpose to preserve highlights. And yeah, I had to bump up my exposures in PP a fair amount as I recall.

Then along came the K-5, and I find I get more blown out highlights than I prefer, so I shoot at -0.3 or -0.7 routinely, depending on the environment.

Maybe this is an intentional compromise.

Lucky-Luc · 11-06-2013, 03:02 PM

Taken with a HD DA 55-300 WR

NicoleC · 11-06-2013, 05:16 PM

In my very ad-hoc mini "studio". I can see the texture on the paper I use as a backing.

ISO 800, f/16.0, 1/100

ISO 200, f/16.0, 1/20 (Pecans apparently need a little soft focus to be pretty.)

And out in the woods today to play a bit -- nothing really earth shattering here but it was a solid performer on a gloomy day:

ISO 1600, f/13.0, 1/100

ISO 200, f/4.0, 1/125

ISO 3200, f/11.0, 1/125

**pearsaab** · 11-06-2013, 05:45 PM - **1 Like**

da300 iso 1600 f 4.5 shutter 250 bias 1.7

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da300 iso 400 f 7.1 shutter 100 bias 1.7

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da300 iso 160 f 8 shutter 640 bias -0.7

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**pearsaab** · 11-06-2013, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Lucky-Luc

Taken with a HD DA 55-300 WR

very nice!!!

pTom · 11-06-2013, 06:15 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by DimC

Had some fun time this WE testing K-3 with my home Studio light set.

A daughter & his Daddy - Pentax 50-135mm - f9 - 1/160 - 100 ISO - Manual mode - AF Selection dot - Green Metering -

Sharpness is great out of the box, minor corrections with WB, vignetting, contrast and jpeg export (resized / 100% quality) in Lr5.2.

Thank you for posting your amazing photos with different lenses .
Hope to see more with another lenses you have.

And thank all of you for posting beautiful samples.
I think our photos of Xmas 2013 and New Year 2014 will be remarkable with this excellent K-3 .
Thank Ricoh for boosting up the Pentax . I can call you - PenCoh or RiTax , whatever since I had used a reliable Ricoh KR Super replacing for the broken Pentax ME Super.

Cheers

Nostrildamus · 11-06-2013, 07:07 PM - **1 Like**

OK so shiny new K3 arrived today. I'm coming from a K7. I love the extra focus points and the focussing speed is way better. That's very nice and will result in many more keepers. Overall images are great, but not way better than the K7 IMHO. I'm not used to the new layout yet but I think it will work well. I have one gripe about the way they have changed what you need to do set the focus point. I think that was a bit better on the K7. Early days though.

Unfortunately my main model wasn't as cooperative as usual, but here are a few snaps anyway.

Shot with the DA* 50-135:

Shot with the FA 50mm F1.4 with the AF360 flash:

**jpzk** · 11-06-2013, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Lucky-Luc

Taken with a HD DA 55-300 WR

Nice !!

I bet you are enjoying this new camera and new lens !?

JP

**jpzk** · 11-06-2013, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by NicoleC

In my very ad-hoc mini "studio". I can see the texture on the paper I use as a backing.

Nicole, this series is a very nice representation of what "samples" should be and I think you've got the hang of it (camera) already!

May I ask what lens you were using for these shots?

Thanks for sharing.

JP

**jpzk** · 11-06-2013, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by pearsaab

da300 iso 1600 f 4.5 shutter 250 bias 1.7
[HL]

Great shots !!

I really enjoy seeing so many great samples taken with the K3.
Keep them coming .... more please !

JP

RyukyuMike · 11-06-2013, 07:54 PM

Here's a shot from Okinawa, Japan made with the K3 at f/5.6 1/200 ISO 100 using the Sigma 50-500 at 270mm. The tripod was in the car so, I rested the Bigma on a fence to fire away. More from that day on my blog Mike's Ryukyu Gallery: 10 Photos of the Grey Heron with Wings Spread

**jpzk** · 11-06-2013, 07:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Nostrildamus

OK so shiny new K3 arrived today. I'm coming from a K7. I love the extra focus points and the focussing speed is way better. That's very nice and will result in many more keepers. Overall images are great, but not way better than the K7 IMHO. I'm not used to the new layout yet but I think it will work well. I have one gripe about the way they have changed what you need to do set the focus point. I think that was a bit better on the K7. Early days though.

Unfortunately my main model wasn't as cooperative as usual, but here are a few snaps anyway.

I have the K7 as well (and the K5) and was rather surprised that you mention that your shots were not "way" better than those taken with your K7.
As you said though: early days!

I'm sure you will have more shots to post here soon.

Thanks for sharing.

JP

NicoleC · 11-06-2013, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by jpzk

Nicole, this series is a very nice representation of what "samples" should be and I think you've got the hang of it (camera) already!

May I ask what lens you were using for these shots?

Thanks for sharing.

JP

Thanks. My keeper rate was only about 4% today, so I don't know how used to it I am yet! Although in my defense, MAN is the continuous shooting fast. Still, I found the K-3 easy to use off the bat.

I was using the DAL 18-55 kit lens that came with my K-x. Yes, I need some new glass, too!

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11-06-2013, 09:47 AM	#152
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by Brew1brew Barry, To my eyes, the k3 shot at 51200 is under exposed, therfore noise will be higher. edit: yes, checking the exif data, the K3 shot was at 1/180, the K5II shot was at 1/125 both at f5.6 Originally posted by jsherman999 I think your own tests are probably closer to the truth, as they track closer to what DXOMark found when they compared the new 24MP D7100 to the 16MP D7000. I don't know what's going on with those original IR samples. I wonder what firmware they had. Originally posted by Brew1brew also, the 6400 shot has different exposures, K3 is 1/20th and the K5II is 1/15th, so again the shot that is under exposed is going to show more noise. Edit: same at iso 100, K3 3sec and k5 4sec Originally posted by rawr So your conclusions in one sentence are (tell me if I'm wrong): the Imaging Resource image samples make the K-3 look noiser than it is, perhaps due to some issues with colour balance or in-camera settings. Your samples certainly look cleaner than the IR ones. Thanks to all of you. I had to go away for a few days (back now) and felt that I had to publish my updated conclusions rather than just leave the earlier misleading results. But I didn't have time to analyse the results before departing. Yes - the K-3 is giving slightly less exposure than the K-5IIs. (Why?) Perhaps this is enough to make the difference. Earlier I had thought I would use the K-5IIs for (rare) very high ISO shots. Now I think I'll use the K-3 anyway. The noise is probably about the same, but in dim light conditions the other advantages of the K-3 will probably make it better. Shooting at very high ISOs probably means shooting in extreme conditions, where I might be choosing lenses for maximum aperture then cropping later, or needing the slightly brighter viewfinder, or needing all the help I can get from AF, or using exposure bracketing, which appears to be much faster with the K-3. I have no regrets about buying the K-3 even though I have the K-5IIs. It is simply a well re-thought camera which will be seen to be an significant leap forward.

11-06-2013, 10:48 AM	#153
Quicksand Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Ohio (formerly SF Bay Area) Posts: 1,519	Originally posted by Barry Pearson Yes - the K-3 is giving slightly less exposure than the K-5IIs. (Why?) Perhaps this is enough to make the difference. I remember all the complaining about the K20d and how it tended to underexpose to preserve highlights. And yeah, I had to bump up my exposures in PP a fair amount as I recall. Then along came the K-5, and I find I get more blown out highlights than I prefer, so I shoot at -0.3 or -0.7 routinely, depending on the environment. Maybe this is an intentional compromise.

11-06-2013, 05:16 PM	#155
NicoleC Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Madison, AL Posts: 448	In my very ad-hoc mini "studio". I can see the texture on the paper I use as a backing. ISO 800, f/16.0, 1/100 ISO 200, f/16.0, 1/20 (Pecans apparently need a little soft focus to be pretty.) And out in the woods today to play a bit -- nothing really earth shattering here but it was a solid performer on a gloomy day: ISO 1600, f/13.0, 1/100 ISO 200, f/4.0, 1/125 ISO 3200, f/11.0, 1/125

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pearsaab Otis Memorial Pentaxian Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2011 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,900	Originally posted by Lucky-Luc Taken with a HD DA 55-300 WR very nice!!!

11-06-2013, 06:15 PM - 1 Like	#158
pTom Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: sydney Photos: Albums Posts: 77	Originally posted by DimC Had some fun time this WE testing K-3 with my home Studio light set. *A daughter & his Daddy* - Pentax 50-135mm - f9 - 1/160 - 100 ISO - Manual mode - AF Selection dot - Green Metering - Sharpness is great out of the box, minor corrections with WB, vignetting, contrast and jpeg export (resized / 100% quality) in Lr5.2. Thank you for posting your amazing photos with different lenses . Hope to see more with another lenses you have. And thank all of you for posting beautiful samples. I think our photos of Xmas 2013 and New Year 2014 will be remarkable with this excellent K-3 . Thank Ricoh for boosting up the Pentax . I can call you - PenCoh or RiTax , whatever since I had used a reliable Ricoh KR Super replacing for the broken Pentax ME Super. Cheers

11-06-2013, 07:07 PM - 1 Like	#159
Nostrildamus Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 29	OK so shiny new K3 arrived today. I'm coming from a K7. I love the extra focus points and the focussing speed is way better. That's very nice and will result in many more keepers. Overall images are great, but not way better than the K7 IMHO. I'm not used to the new layout yet but I think it will work well. I have one gripe about the way they have changed what you need to do set the focus point. I think that was a bit better on the K7. Early days though. Unfortunately my main model wasn't as cooperative as usual, but here are a few snaps anyway. Shot with the DA* 50-135: Shot with the FA 50mm F1.4 with the AF360 flash:

11-06-2013, 07:45 PM	#160
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251 Original Poster	Originally posted by Lucky-Luc Taken with a HD DA 55-300 WR Nice !! I bet you are enjoying this new camera and new lens !? JP

11-06-2013, 07:48 PM	#161
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251 Original Poster	Originally posted by NicoleC In my very ad-hoc mini "studio". I can see the texture on the paper I use as a backing. Nicole, this series is a very nice representation of what "samples" should be and I think you've got the hang of it (camera) already! May I ask what lens you were using for these shots? Thanks for sharing. JP

11-06-2013, 07:51 PM	#162
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251 Original Poster	Originally posted by pearsaab da300 iso 1600 f 4.5 shutter 250 bias 1.7 [HL] Great shots !! I really enjoy seeing so many great samples taken with the K3. Keep them coming .... more please ! JP

11-06-2013, 07:55 PM - 1 Like	#164
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251 Original Poster	Originally posted by Nostrildamus OK so shiny new K3 arrived today. I'm coming from a K7. I love the extra focus points and the focussing speed is way better. That's very nice and will result in many more keepers. Overall images are great, but not way better than the K7 IMHO. I'm not used to the new layout yet but I think it will work well. I have one gripe about the way they have changed what you need to do set the focus point. I think that was a bit better on the K7. Early days though. Unfortunately my main model wasn't as cooperative as usual, but here are a few snaps anyway. I have the K7 as well (and the K5) and was rather surprised that you mention that your shots were not "way" better than those taken with your K7. As you said though: early days! I'm sure you will have more shots to post here soon. Thanks for sharing. JP

11-06-2013, 07:59 PM	#165
NicoleC Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Madison, AL Posts: 448	Originally posted by jpzk Nicole, this series is a very nice representation of what "samples" should be and I think you've got the hang of it (camera) already! May I ask what lens you were using for these shots? Thanks for sharing. JP Thanks. My keeper rate was only about 4% today, so I don't know how used to it I am yet! Although in my defense, MAN is the continuous shooting fast. Still, I found the K-3 easy to use off the bat. I was using the DAL 18-55 kit lens that came with my K-x. Yes, I need some new glass, too!