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File one = K-3, File two = K-5 IIs 27264.00%
File one = K-5 IIs, File two = K-3 15336.00%
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11-03-2013, 09:20 PM   #46
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I have to agree, file 1 has more detail, but also has a greener, warmer tint. Would that be the K-3 strictly going on detail?

11-03-2013, 09:24 PM   #47
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QuoteOriginally posted by Sandy Hancock Quote
1 (or E) is more detailed and has more colour moire in the balcony railing of the house on the right. I would assume that to be the K-3 with the AA filter deactivated.
If the K-3 has the AA filter on, it could be the other way around though....
@ Sandy K-5IIs should show MORE moire ( sorry) than the K-3.
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File 1 = k5 iis
File 2 = k3
11-03-2013, 09:28 PM   #49
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Can you explain why Steve? Is it just because the pixels are smaller?

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That's a moire.

File 1 is softer and has colour Moire = K-5IIs
File 2 is the K-3 for the same reasons.
11-03-2013, 09:32 PM   #51
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QuoteOriginally posted by Sandy Hancock Quote
Can you explain why Steve? Is it just because the pixels are smaller?
Moire is an interference pattern where when the ratio of pixel size (bigger on K-5) to image detail is closer you're more likely to detect it, although it does depend on the image viewing system and size of the recurring pattern.
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Reducing the images to the same size is a bit of cheat because it's only representing one way to use the cameras.
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I guessed/voted, then checked the EXIF, and I was right.

Even downsampled to 16MP, K-3 image crisper/sharper looking than the native K-5 image. K-3 looks good.

Now, Adam, I'd like to see a couple ISO 6400 shots taken/processed the same way! I think the K-3 will shine there as well, but I'd like to see.

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Thanks for posting these - I ended up trying to find out if I could tell the difference by lightening the shadows in LR (4.4). I was surprised that I didn't see any difference in noise when I adjusted both the shadows and the blacks quite a bit. So at lower ISOs you can still recover detail if the shot is underexposed. Dynamic range looked just about the same in both pictures to me - maybe others can see more or less in one but I couldn't. Since I often find myself trying to recover detail in shadows (I do a lot of landscape pictures), I've been concerned about this.

I had decided which photo I wanted to be the K3 before I looked to see whether the exif information had been deleted from the files. I was happy to see that the one I thought should be the K3 actually was the right one. I fully expected to see noise in the shadows when I pushed them, like I always did with the K7 and that would convince me that I didn't need the K3. This is not helping me keep my money in my pocket.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jsherman999 Quote
I guessed/voted, then checked the EXIF, and I was right.

Even downsampled to 16MP, K-3 image crisper/sharper looking than the native K-5 image. K-3 looks good.

Now, Adam, I'd like to see a couple ISO 6400 shots taken/processed the same way! I think the K-3 will shine there as well, but I'd like to see.
He-he-he Did the same thing.

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The EXIF shows that E.jpg is made by K-3, and B.jpg (the second one) is made by k-5 IIs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
Reducing the images to the same size is a bit of cheat because it's only representing one way to use the cameras.
True, you could also upsample the K-5 to 24MP, but that would probably make it look even less close, unless you use one of the really nice specialized upsampling software packages.

You either have to upsample or downsample one or the other if you display them at the same size on either print or screen (or upsample/downsample both to different degrees.)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Khaf Quote
..spoiler quote....
Not supposed to give it away right in the body of the thread, c'mon.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Khaf Quote
???????.
Well done Sherlock!

Why would you do that? Everyone else who's worked it out has left it alone.
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QuoteOriginally posted by enoeske Quote
The first file has much more detail and sharpness, but also has color moire in the fencing and other areas. The second is less detailed and softer, but lacks the moire. Seems obvious that the K-3 is #1 and K-5 is #2
It is K-3 vs K5IIs so both don't have the AA filter. I love how many people are confused about the AA filter hahahaha
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