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File one = K-3, File two = K-5 IIs 27264.00%
File one = K-5 IIs, File two = K-3 15336.00%
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11-04-2013, 05:23 AM   #106
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QuoteOriginally posted by Col Quote
All comparison threads eventually degrade into APSc v's FF. This is independent of the initial test subject.

I did not see a hose featured in either the first two images.
You need a higher resolution monitor you can clearly see it by the boat on the grass, Obviously you can't see this in the k5iis images due to resolution deficiencies

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I found them almost identical, but maybe I don't have a good eye. I zoomed in pretty close and didn't see a lot of difference. File 1 I thought was less saturated which is a look I like better.
When will the results be revealed?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Catscradle Quote
When will the results be revealed?
They've been revealed many times in this thread.
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File #2 is from K-3
(based on better detail on the car behind the bushes).

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QuoteOriginally posted by reytor Quote
File #2 is from K-3
(based on better detail on the car behind the bushes).
That's it my K3 is going back


or maybe I just need a better monitor
11-04-2013, 06:00 AM   #111
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There is one thing that this test shows in no uncertain terms: There is moiré galore from both cameras!

So much for the standard statement "In practice there is never any moiré on a K-5 IIs"...

Even the 24MP K-3 (predictably) creates a colour moiré festival.
All it takes is a scene with sufficient detail and a steady shot.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Col Quote
All comparison threads eventually degrade into APSc v's FF. This is independent of the initial test subject.

I did not see a hose featured in either the first two images.
Scaling the K-3 down to K-5 territory, effectively throwing away 8 million pixels, isn't a fair comparison. When I posted my "hose" shots, I was merely pointing out that a D800E can also look close to a K-5 depending on how you process things. There's no doubt that the original K-3 shot would have been very obvious had it's output not been handicapped after being reduced by 8 million pixels.

You can't judge something by what it's not but you can get some perspective.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bedo Quote
well now there seems to be teeny weeny more detail in Nikon picture. But that's only fair to those lugging bigger cameras around. As they say "no pain, no gain!"
Did you click on the pictures to see them at full resolution on Flickr? There's quite a large difference in the output but you need to see it properly. Remember these side-by-side shots are only screen grabs but the viewing medium and resolution does make a difference as well.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
There is one thing that this test shows in no uncertain terms: There is moiré galore from both cameras!

So much for the standard statement "In practice there is never any moiré on a K-5 IIs"...

Even the 24MP K-3 (predictably) creates a colour moiré festival.
All it takes is a scene with sufficient detail and a steady shot.
on a more positive note:
1. K-3 does have a "moiré tamer"
2. DA35Ltd is a great performer as it outresolved 24MP sensor just fine (happy to own one )
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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
So much for the standard statement "In practice there is never any moiré on a K-5 IIs"...
So what? It's pretty easy to remove. I've done some commercial architectural shoots lately and finally got some moire on real pictures - all easy removable in Lightroom. Definitely detail was more than worth it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
Did you click on the pictures to see them at full resolution on Flickr? There's quite a large difference in the output but you need to see it properly. And remember these side-by-side shots are only screen grabs but they seem to work well for this purpose. Obviously the viewing medium/resolution does make a difference as well.
I hear you, bossa, and sure, your arguments are valid. It's just personally I have no need for more than, say, 12 quality megapixels or so, even 16MP is an overkill for my purposes. Please take my replies with a grain of salt or two.
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File one is K3.

My pixel is better than yours even if it is smaller.
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You guys missed Adam point. The difference is too little if any to qualify the upgrade. My money is safe; )
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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
There is one thing that this test shows in no uncertain terms: There is moiré galore from both cameras!

So much for the standard statement "In practice there is never any moiré on a K-5 IIs"...

Even the 24MP K-3 (predictably) creates a colour moiré festival.
All it takes is a scene with sufficient detail and a steady shot.
That is heresy. It says on the Internet that you don't need this anti-alicing filter 'cause it is only put there by the manufacturers as a conspiracy to make your pictures less sharp. So it must be true. And a bit of psychedelic colour on distant water ripples looks really cool.

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I voted chopice #1 - File 1 is K-3. I have no real technical idea why I made that conclusion since I viewed both images on a cheap 10-year-old 19" HP flat monitor at work and I have no photo tools here. After flipping back and forth magnified on the house in the distance I just thought, "Second image looks like a K5IIs image." I think it was the saturation. Based on the spoiler post I guess I guessed right.

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