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Azzy · 11-03-2013, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Bogartist

Am I crazy, or does File One looks significantly sharper in the centre, where File Two looks sharper at the left and right edges - particularly the right?

Which makes no sense (assuming they were using the same lens, and not two different copies of the same make of lens). I'm probably crazy. Gah, pixel-peeping is what's crazy.

Its wind moving the branch/leaves

rawr · 11-03-2013, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by jaad75

Adobe RGB

Yes, Adobe RGB colour profile in web JPEGs means unreliable colour rendition. sRGB in JPEGs pls! Histogram is also different between the two.

K-3 is file one.

These tests though are always hard to do. A K-x and RX100 pic alongside the K-3 and K-5 IIs pix would be just as hard to identify.

Scootatheschool1990 · 11-03-2013, 08:05 PM

I seem to see aliasing in the water in the ripples. I think that one is the k3. #2=k3!

15anthony15 · 11-03-2013, 08:07 PM

1 has more details

jaad75 · 11-03-2013, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Yes, Adobe RGB colour profile in web JPEGs means unreliable colour rendition. sRGB in JPEGs pls

Not if you use a proper web browser (like Firefox) and calibrated Adobe RGB monitor. But most of people don't even know what they use.

Originally posted by rawr

Histogram is also different between the two.

There is a different WB (6400/-5 vs 5000/+14) and different camera profile (Embedded vs. Adobe Standard) so it's obvious that histograms will be different.

tram57 · 11-03-2013, 08:11 PM

File 1 ('E') with better resolution, and slightly less exposed, and better white balance = k3
File 2 ('B') slightly overexposed = K5

Sandy Hancock · 11-03-2013, 08:12 PM

1 (or E) is more detailed and has more colour moire in the balcony railing of the house on the right. I would assume that to be the K-3 with the AA filter deactivated.
If the K-3 has the AA filter on, it could be the other way around though....

vangaans · 11-03-2013, 08:13 PM

Very interesting, file 1 has the green cast of the K-5 sensor and file 2 has the blue cast of the K-3 sensor. But judging by the fence detail in the buildings in the distance, file 1 has the higher detail??

Disregarding detail I'm guessing file 2 is the K-3.

jaad75 · 11-03-2013, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by vangaans

Very interesting, file 1 has the green cast of the K-5 sensor and file 2 has the blue cast of the K-3 sensor.

The K-5IIs nor the original K-5 have never had "green cast". The both go towards magenta but the IIs less than the older one.

Originally posted by vangaans

But judging by the fence detail in the buildings in the distance, file 1 has the higher detail??

Detail and maze artifacts. It's so obvious...

sujo78 · 11-03-2013, 08:23 PM

The e-jpg is sharper and, to my eyes a better photo.Not sure which camera it's from.

rawr · 11-03-2013, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by jaad75

Not if you use a proper web browser (like Firefox) and calibrated Adobe RGB monitor.

I use several colour-aware browsers

and have several calibrated monitors.
So pls don't presume anything about my setup.

sRGB is the default for just about everything so it's just sensible to advocate it's use for online JPEGs, IMHO.

jaad75 · 11-03-2013, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by rawr

So pls don't presume anything about my setup.

I do not. I was not talking about you personally.

Originally posted by rawr

sRGB is the default for just about everything so it's just sensible to advocate it's use for online JPEGs, IMHO.

Of course. That's why I wrote about it before.

vangaans · 11-03-2013, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by jaad75

The K-5IIs nor the original K-5 have never had "green cast". The both go towards magenta but the IIs less than the older one.
Detail and maze artifacts. It's so obvious...

Must be just my K-5 then. I always need to push my files back towards magenta from green in Lightroom.

GlennG · 11-03-2013, 08:57 PM

First is K3. Although the second handles the moire on the fence a little better. I judged by looking at the letters on the buoy - t hey appeared a little cleaner on the first.

GlennG · 11-03-2013, 08:58 PM

By the way - how long did it take to download the photos? On my old pc, it was about 10 minutes per photo.

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11-03-2013, 07:58 PM	#31
Azzy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 201	Originally posted by Bogartist Am I crazy, or does File One looks significantly sharper in the centre, where File Two looks sharper at the left and right edges - particularly the right? Which makes no sense (assuming they were using the same lens, and not two different copies of the same make of lens). I'm probably crazy. Gah, pixel-peeping is what's crazy. Its wind moving the branch/leaves

11-03-2013, 08:02 PM	#32
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by jaad75 Adobe RGB Yes, Adobe RGB colour profile in web JPEGs means unreliable colour rendition. sRGB in JPEGs pls! Histogram is also different between the two. K-3 is file one. These tests though are always hard to do. A K-x and RX100 pic alongside the K-3 and K-5 IIs pix would be just as hard to identify.

11-03-2013, 08:05 PM	#33
Scootatheschool1990 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Boise Idaho Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 466	I seem to see aliasing in the water in the ripples. I think that one is the k3. #2=k3!

11-03-2013, 08:07 PM	#34
15anthony15 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 36	1 has more details

11-03-2013, 08:10 PM	#35
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by rawr Yes, Adobe RGB colour profile in web JPEGs means unreliable colour rendition. sRGB in JPEGs pls Not if you use a proper web browser (like Firefox) and calibrated Adobe RGB monitor. But most of people don't even know what they use. Originally posted by rawr Histogram is also different between the two. There is a different WB (6400/-5 vs 5000/+14) and different camera profile (Embedded vs. Adobe Standard) so it's obvious that histograms will be different.

11-03-2013, 08:11 PM	#36
tram57 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 176	File 1 ('E') with better resolution, and slightly less exposed, and better white balance = k3 File 2 ('B') slightly overexposed = K5

11-03-2013, 08:12 PM	#37
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,276	1 (or E) is more detailed and has more colour moire in the balcony railing of the house on the right. I would assume that to be the K-3 with the AA filter deactivated. If the K-3 has the AA filter on, it could be the other way around though....

11-03-2013, 08:13 PM	#38
vangaans New Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Ballarat, Victoria Posts: 24	Very interesting, file 1 has the green cast of the K-5 sensor and file 2 has the blue cast of the K-3 sensor. But judging by the fence detail in the buildings in the distance, file 1 has the higher detail?? Disregarding detail I'm guessing file 2 is the K-3.

11-03-2013, 08:17 PM	#39
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by vangaans Very interesting, file 1 has the green cast of the K-5 sensor and file 2 has the blue cast of the K-3 sensor. The K-5IIs nor the original K-5 have never had "green cast". The both go towards magenta but the IIs less than the older one. Originally posted by vangaans But judging by the fence detail in the buildings in the distance, file 1 has the higher detail?? Detail and maze artifacts. It's so obvious...

11-03-2013, 08:23 PM	#40
sujo78 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 54	The e-jpg is sharper and, to my eyes a better photo.Not sure which camera it's from.

11-03-2013, 08:24 PM	#41
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by jaad75 Not if you use a proper web browser (like Firefox) and calibrated Adobe RGB monitor. I use several colour-aware browsers and have several calibrated monitors. So pls don't presume anything about my setup. sRGB is the default for just about everything so it's just sensible to advocate it's use for online JPEGs, IMHO.

11-03-2013, 08:33 PM	#42
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by rawr So pls don't presume anything about my setup. I do not. I was not talking about you personally. Originally posted by rawr sRGB is the default for just about everything so it's just sensible to advocate it's use for online JPEGs, IMHO. Of course. That's why I wrote about it before.

11-03-2013, 08:37 PM	#43
vangaans New Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Ballarat, Victoria Posts: 24	Originally posted by jaad75 The K-5IIs nor the original K-5 have never had "green cast". The both go towards magenta but the IIs less than the older one. Detail and maze artifacts. It's so obvious... Must be just my K-5 then. I always need to push my files back towards magenta from green in Lightroom.

11-03-2013, 08:57 PM	#44
GlennG Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 824	First is K3. Although the second handles the moire on the fence a little better. I judged by looking at the letters on the buoy - t hey appeared a little cleaner on the first.

11-03-2013, 08:58 PM	#45
GlennG Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 824	By the way - how long did it take to download the photos? On my old pc, it was about 10 minutes per photo.

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