Adobe is getting greedy!

lightbulb · 11-04-2013, 08:46 AM

I just got a rx100ii, raw file not supported. Now the k3 isn't supported. do I really need to upgrade to lr5? Damn!

Parallax · 11-04-2013, 08:51 AM

Does LR5 support the K3? If so I'm surprised that the ACR update came that quickly.

**jatrax** · 11-04-2013, 09:17 AM

Thought I saw a post saying LR 4.4 opened k-3 DNGs no problem?

bedo · 11-04-2013, 09:54 AM

yes, even 4.2 does - well that was supposed to be one of the key advantages of using DNG instead of some proprietary format...

**maxfield_photo** · 11-04-2013, 09:56 AM

Just shoot DNG and you never have to wait for Adobe. There may be some little bits of metadata that aren't recorded in the DNG, like whether the AA simulator is on or off, but all the important stuff - exposure, white balance, lens & body info - will be there.

pentax_sam · 11-04-2013, 10:01 AM

Agreed on trying DNG. More universal. LR4 should definitely work with the K3 if you're using DNG format.

philbaum · 11-04-2013, 10:05 AM

DNG works fine from my K5.

**boriscleto** · 11-04-2013, 10:12 AM - **1 Like**

Adobe getting greedy? Just look at what they used to charge for fonts before there was an alternative to Postscript...

**RGlasel** · 11-04-2013, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by maxfield_photo

little bits of metadata that aren't recorded in the DNG

The DNG standard supports 4 or 5 metadata formats, and those formats are extensible (different implementations can have different metadata included), but if the photo manipulation software doesn't know about a particular piece of metadata, it can't use it (and probably can't display it unless the program's GUI is designed to display an unlimited number of values).

Having said that, if you already use software that can read DNG files, and your camera can output DNG files, use DNG. DNG is a wrapper or envelope over TIFF/EP data, that includes all of the metadata your camera outputs, and the files coming out of your camera aren't missing anything that is included in the PEF file. If your camera can't output DNG, then you become dependent on third party conversion software, and you might be better off to use the software specifically designed for your camera.

rawr · 11-04-2013, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by lightbulb

do I really need to upgrade to lr5? Damn!

Yes, if you want both RX100II and K-3 support baked into Lightroom. But best to wait until LR 5.3 is released. The current 5.2 supports the RX100II, but not the K-3.

I also noticed today that Adobe in my country are offering a 20% discount on Lightroom until 29 November when buying through Adobe.com. Maybe it's the same in the US. Doesn't sound too greedy to me.

stevebrot · 11-04-2013, 12:29 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by lightbulb

Adobe is getting greedy!

And this is supposed to be something new?

Steve

(...not my favorite company...)

lightbulb · 11-04-2013, 12:40 PM

They are responsible to update new camera profiles and support for raw. Look at aperture.

**Miguel** · 11-04-2013, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by lightbulb

They are responsible to update new camera profiles and support for raw. Look at aperture.

For current products, maybe. But you've got v 4, which works for me with K3 DNG sample files.
Why don't you save your K-3 files as DNG and get on with it?
Aperture is current. And Apple's updates are on the system level.

M

lightbulb · 11-04-2013, 12:48 PM

And sell my rx100ii?

**Miguel** · 11-04-2013, 12:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by lightbulb

And sell my rx100ii?

As noted above V.5.2 of Lightroom supports your new camera. What's the problem. If after spending at least $2000 on new camera gear you are whining about a $50 required software upgrade, then your thread title is very telling. Digital photography is more than the camera, it is the software as well including any necessary costs which should be part of one's budget. Get on with using your new tools.

M

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lightbulb Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 691	Adobe is getting greedy! I just got a rx100ii, raw file not supported. Now the k3 isn't supported. do I really need to upgrade to lr5? Damn!

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11-04-2013, 08:51 AM	#2
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Does LR5 support the K3? If so I'm surprised that the ACR update came that quickly.

11-04-2013, 09:17 AM	#3
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Thought I saw a post saying LR 4.4 opened k-3 DNGs no problem?

11-04-2013, 09:54 AM	#4
bedo New Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 20	yes, even 4.2 does - well that was supposed to be one of the key advantages of using DNG instead of some proprietary format...

11-04-2013, 09:56 AM	#5
maxfield_photo Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,216	Just shoot DNG and you never have to wait for Adobe. There may be some little bits of metadata that aren't recorded in the DNG, like whether the AA simulator is on or off, but all the important stuff - exposure, white balance, lens & body info - will be there.

11-04-2013, 10:01 AM	#6
pentax_sam Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 66	Agreed on trying DNG. More universal. LR4 should definitely work with the K3 if you're using DNG format.

11-04-2013, 10:05 AM	#7
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	DNG works fine from my K5.

11-04-2013, 10:12 AM - 1 Like	#8
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Adobe getting greedy? Just look at what they used to charge for fonts before there was an alternative to Postscript...

11-04-2013, 10:23 AM	#9
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,228	Originally posted by maxfield_photo little bits of metadata that aren't recorded in the DNG The DNG standard supports 4 or 5 metadata formats, and those formats are extensible (different implementations can have different metadata included), but if the photo manipulation software doesn't know about a particular piece of metadata, it can't use it (and probably can't display it unless the program's GUI is designed to display an unlimited number of values). Having said that, if you already use software that can read DNG files, and your camera can output DNG files, use DNG. DNG is a wrapper or envelope over TIFF/EP data, that includes all of the metadata your camera outputs, and the files coming out of your camera aren't missing anything that is included in the PEF file. If your camera can't output DNG, then you become dependent on third party conversion software, and you might be better off to use the software specifically designed for your camera.

11-04-2013, 11:17 AM	#10
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by lightbulb do I really need to upgrade to lr5? Damn! Yes, if you want both RX100II and K-3 support baked into Lightroom. But best to wait until LR 5.3 is released. The current 5.2 supports the RX100II, but not the K-3. I also noticed today that Adobe in my country are offering a 20% discount on Lightroom until 29 November when buying through Adobe.com. Maybe it's the same in the US. Doesn't sound too greedy to me.

11-04-2013, 12:29 PM - 1 Like	#11
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by lightbulb Adobe is getting greedy! And this is supposed to be something new? Steve (...not my favorite company...)

11-04-2013, 12:40 PM	#12
lightbulb Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 691 Original Poster	They are responsible to update new camera profiles and support for raw. Look at aperture.

11-04-2013, 12:42 PM	#13
Miguel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Seattle Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,743	Originally posted by lightbulb They are responsible to update new camera profiles and support for raw. Look at aperture. For current products, maybe. But you've got v 4, which works for me with K3 DNG sample files. Why don't you save your K-3 files as DNG and get on with it? Aperture is current. And Apple's updates are on the system level. M

11-04-2013, 12:48 PM	#14
lightbulb Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 691 Original Poster	And sell my rx100ii?

11-04-2013, 12:58 PM - 1 Like	#15
Miguel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Seattle Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,743	Originally posted by lightbulb And sell my rx100ii? As noted above V.5.2 of Lightroom supports your new camera. What's the problem. If after spending at least $2000 on new camera gear you are whining about a $50 required software upgrade, then your thread title is very telling. Digital photography is more than the camera, it is the software as well including any necessary costs which should be part of one's budget. Get on with using your new tools. M