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11-10-2013, 03:52 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by dosdan Quote
Not a great example of AF tracking prowess.
+1. People tend to see what they want to see.

It's getting hard to glean anything from the somewhat over-enthusiastic 'review' shots (not just from the K-3, and not just on this forum) people are posting since the K-3 came out.

There's a lot of:

- 800 px reduced-to-web shots that show nothing
- shots that are sharp, but prove nothing because of the DoF
- shots that are claimed to be sharp but aren't

I put it down to K-3 owners that want to prove to themselves that their new purchase is so much better than what they had, and hence fully justified, and non-K-3 owners seeking to justify their decision to wait. Coupled with Pentax people desperate for evidence that they no longer have to feel inferior to Canon/Nikon people.

It's complicated by the fact that the K-3 owners aren't yet very good with the new camera, so aren't showing it at its best.

It makes it very hard to decide whether to get one!

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I put it down to K-3 owners ............
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+1. People tend to see what they want to see.

It's getting hard to glean anything from the somewhat over-enthusiastic 'review' shots (not just from the K-3, and not just on this forum) people are posting since the K-3 came out.

There's a lot of:

- 800 px reduced-to-web shots that show nothing
- shots that are sharp, but prove nothing because of the DoF
- shots that are claimed to be sharp but aren't

I put it down to K-3 owners that want to prove to themselves that their new purchase is so much better than what they had, and hence fully justified, and non-K-3 owners seeking to justify their decision to wait. Coupled with Pentax people desperate for evidence that they no longer have to feel inferior to Canon/Nikon people.

It's complicated by the fact that the K-3 owners aren't yet very good with the new camera, so aren't showing it at its best.

It makes it very hard to decide whether to get one!
I totally understand that.

What I can say, is that I absolutely adore my K5 cameras.
I have been shooting with dual K5 cameras for several years, and I have worked around all/most of the shortcomings of the K5.

The K5 single handedly took my photography to the next level, and I am a staunch die-hard when it comes to tools that work.
The K5 is one of those tools.

I am one of the last people to justify a purchase or to convince myself that I made a good purchase or compare myself to anyone/thing Canikony.

What I am finding - begrudgingly - is that the K3 is eroding (rapidly) my choices as to keep shooting with the K5.

I wish there was a way to show images at their full resolution without taking up too much webspace on this forum.

I have scaled down and done what I can so that I can put images here without causing them to be too big to view realistically.

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I could pretty much say what LaurenOE says, except not as eloquently. I've gotten outstanding results with that body, and gotten to know it's limits.

I would pay attention to first impressions. I know that already I'm shooting things that I didn't bother to shoot with the K-5 because it wouldn't focus to capture. I'm finding new limits and in a while will be chafing at the limits of the K-3.

For example, this morning. It was wet and rainy and dark, and I was home by 8:30 am. A heron was flying towards a tree. I tracked it until it landed. 1/160 iso 125 f4 on DA*300. Movement blur was an issue, but this one was interesting. There were three shots that had possible interest. The K-5 would have given me a series of amorphous blobs in the sky. Two things the K-3 did made the difference. Low light and tracking focus, and much better much more consistent metering.

What I'm finding is that focus is not the issue it was with the K-5. Tracking is a skill, and learning intuitively the abilities and quirks of the K-3 system will take a bit of time before it is second nature. And it will be second nature in a way that focusing with the K-5 never was. This will allow me to do other things such as adjust exposure compensation depending on cloud or blue sky background.



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Can't see the images
Neither can I, but clicking on the space where the image should be (the left-hand side - hover over the area until the pointer arrow changes to a hand) opens the original sequence in another window.
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Neither can I, but clicking on the space where the image should be (the left-hand side - hover over the area until the pointer arrow changes to a hand) opens the original sequence in another window.
Sometimes if you are logged into Pentax Forums, make sure you are in under http: not https:

You can't see images if you are in https:

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QuoteOriginally posted by derekkite Quote
1/160 iso 125 f4 on DA*300. Movement blur was an issue,
Why was the shutter speed so slow? Mainly doing static stuff and this caught you unaware? Handheld? I suspect you'd be using SR for the static stuff at this FL and shutter speed. How successfull was the SR for the static stuff?

For BIFs, 1/500s-1/1000s would be better. At this light level that would be ISO400-ISO800, which should still be acceptable.

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QuoteOriginally posted by LaurenOE Quote
I totally understand that.

What I can say, is that I absolutely adore my K5 cameras.
I have been shooting with dual K5 cameras for several years, and I have worked around all/most of the shortcomings of the K5.

The K5 single handedly took my photography to the next level, and I am a staunch die-hard when it comes to tools that work.
The K5 is one of those tools.

I am one of the last people to justify a purchase or to convince myself that I made a good purchase or compare myself to anyone/thing Canikony.

What I am finding - begrudgingly - is that the K3 is eroding (rapidly) my choices as to keep shooting with the K5.

I wish there was a way to show images at their full resolution without taking up too much webspace on this forum.

I have scaled down and done what I can so that I can put images here without causing them to be too big to view realistically.

I agree Lauren, the K3 is that good rather people believe it or not, I never had any of the K5 series, until last week I was still using my workhorse K7 so you can only imagine the improvements I'm seeing... This camera makes me feel like a pro (and trust me I'm not) but in just a week my confidence level has shot way up.

P.S.. I have the 50-500 too, it's my favorite lens

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QuoteOriginally posted by dosdan Quote
Why was the shutter speed so slow? Mainly doing static stuff and this caught you unaware? Handheld? I suspect you'd be using SR for the static stuff at this FL and shutter speed. How successfull was the SR for the static stuff?

For BIFs, 1/500s-1/1000s would be better. At this light level that would be ISO400-ISO800, which should still be acceptable.

Dan.
It was dark and I had the settings appropriate for a shot against the grass or brush. A few minutes previous I had a shot with the mountain in the background and the iso was at 2500. I'm not certain that a faster speed would have been better. I find that at these light levels a moderate increase in iso degrades quality substantially. A longer exposure gives more detail to work with post. With both the K-5 and K-3. I don't think that the colors and texture would have been apparent. The back lighting made it seem brighter than it really was. The exposure was pushed 2.8 EV post.

I started out with a beamer gizmo on a Metz AF-50, but it started raining. I don't want to find out how a wet flash unit fails. The WR flashes recently announced are very tempting.
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Sometimes if you are logged into Pentax Forums, make sure you are in under http: not https:

You can't see images if you are in https:

Something obviously changes the electrons when they flow South, because I'm on http: and the image isn't visible.
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Changing to http worked for me. Thanks
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Looks good, but also not to hard on AF, since it is just following and keeping in focus.
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I'd be really interested in seeing shots taken with a 70-200 f2.8 wide open and tracking a guy or two running towards the camera. That's been the real challenge for me, trying to get a shallow DOF while shooting a football (ie. soccer if you will) match with a K-5. Using smaller apertures like f8 doesn't really tell the whole story because of the substancially bigger DOF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LaurenOE Quote
I noticed that the shutter speed went from 1/2000 down to 1/1000 at the end of the sequence, so the camera was "thinking" as it took the images.
It could have locked on the fence, but did not.
Lauren this is exactly the reason I've been interested in the K3 over my K5iis. Despite claims that the K3 AF is equal to the K5ii series in performance, I can easily replicate AF "failures" with such things as chain link fences, highly side/backlit grass (just the type you find in dawn or dusk shoots!) where PDAF prefers the fence or grass to a muted furry animal. I've even run into issues with white birds such as egrets amongst reeds, the camera likes the reeds better.

I'm using a sigma 100-300 f4 so its pretty easy to tell what the camera locked. I find it interesting that as I've gotten much better at tracking, I've found the critical limitations of my camera. If the K3 has solved these limitations, it'll be tough not to upgrade.

Even in slower tracking situations at a wildlife park that I encountered this weekend, my k5iis still preferred the chain link fence to the animal, In one situation, where the lioness was about 5 feet in front of a black, side lit chain link fence, if anything more than about 1/4 of the viewfinder contained fence, I could not get the camera to lock on the animal, this was using f4.5-5.6, center point focusing and no matter where the fence was in the composition.

Granted there are no chain link fences in Yellowstone, or most national parks, but the fact I can easily replicate a focus miss, and have had focus misses at critical times even without a chain link fence around, it starts to erode your confidence in the camera. Add to the fact I'm not using a Pentax lens and therefore can't use selective point AF, these kind of intelligence tests of the K3 AF are very welcome, except by my wallet.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ChrisA Quote
+1. People tend to see what they want to see.

It's getting hard to glean anything from the somewhat over-enthusiastic 'review' shots (not just from the K-3, and not just on this forum) people are posting since the K-3 came out.

There's a lot of:

- 800 px reduced-to-web shots that show nothing
- shots that are sharp, but prove nothing because of the DoF
- shots that are claimed to be sharp but aren't

I put it down to K-3 owners that want to prove to themselves that their new purchase is so much better than what they had, and hence fully justified, and non-K-3 owners seeking to justify their decision to wait. Coupled with Pentax people desperate for evidence that they no longer have to feel inferior to Canon/Nikon people.

It's complicated by the fact that the K-3 owners aren't yet very good with the new camera, so aren't showing it at its best.

It makes it very hard to decide whether to get one!
Chris, that's where one just has to pick and choose, who's posts you really pay attention to. I've been around here for almost 6 years and think I have gleaned a pretty good idea of who is a higher caliber photog and who is "just" an amateur. Between their own website galleries and just the eloquent and informative responses provided over several different topics, it's not tough to pick out the reviews of the K3 that pique my interest. Lauren, with her background and skillset, is one of about 5 or 6 new K3 owners I will be or have been following as they post their impressions because I think there's real value in their reviews because of their acquired skills and expertise.

This forum is like many, there are wanna-bes and there are those that are, or almost there, I don't know if you are off-handedly dismissing all of the K3 "first impression" posts, but if you are, I think that is making way too general a characterization of the quality of these "impressions".
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