K3 or Fuji X-T1 for a better shooting experience for me?

asp1880 · 02-17-2015, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by twitch

The other interesting camera for you would be the Samsung NX500; good video, small body, APSC, and reasonably priced lenses albeit limited options.

The Samsung NX lens catalog is actually larger than the Fujifilm XF catalog, contrary to public perception.

There's a few standout Samsung lenses such as the unique 16-50 f/2-2.8.

Regards,
--Anders.

ruggiex · 02-17-2015, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by carpents

I think the cooler white balance on the Pentax makes it look that way, but is it really brighter? I normalized both by selecting a white balance based on the inside of the 'D' of the lens in the photo. Then looking at crops and histograms:

I'll agree that there is some noise reduction happening on the Fuji (these were both shot raw, by the way).

Except if you look at the overall picture, the Fuji is simply darker even if you warm up K5's image, no? The picture on DA15 might look very close but you can tell in the other areas. Maybe it would be more obvious shooting a gray card or something. I haven't really done the test myself but I do feel that in general I need to boost the EV from the Fuji a little in post to be closer to my K5/K3 files.

audiobomber · 02-18-2015, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by carpents

I'll agree that there is some noise reduction happening on the Fuji (these were both shot raw, by the way).

Add some noise reduction to the Pentax files, lose some detail and some noise, you'll be back to par. Your initial statements of a noise advantage for Fuji do not hold up.

ScooterMaxi Jim · 02-20-2015, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by chiane

Thanks so much for your thoughts. Your comments about getting good results in LR may kill my Fuji thoughts, as that would drive me nuts. I use LR and photoshop as my workflow and am not dying to add a completely new program into the mix.

As a LR user primarily since version 3, it does appear that Adobe has resorted to milking the entire PS/LR structure with only marginal improvements in several years. The X-trans situation is inexcusable. All the major converter brands had trouble with it originally, but excellent profiles emerged within weeks or months. Reportedly, Adobe has indicated that they can't (won't?) nail it. I'm back to Capture One v. 8 (for Pentax), using LR only for IR conversion from a Samsung compact. IQ from C1 is significantly better with much more complex micro-sharpening capabilities, better masking options, higher color accuracy, and far-quicker workflow. Other major converter programs have also surpassed LR.

I think the Fuji camera is a real contender, and would fit your general shooting profile. The lens system is highly rated. However, you're right that the Fuji would be far off its potential if you're limited to LR for conversion. I understand the cataloguing concern because the LR system essentially locks you into it. However, I had to escape it when my Pentax files provided significantly better results in C1 - with a much quicker workflow.

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02-17-2015, 12:42 PM	#31
asp1880 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lyngby, Copenhagen Photos: Albums Posts: 742	Originally posted by twitch The other interesting camera for you would be the Samsung NX500; good video, small body, APSC, and reasonably priced lenses albeit limited options. The Samsung NX lens catalog is actually larger than the Fujifilm XF catalog, contrary to public perception. There's a few standout Samsung lenses such as the unique 16-50 f/2-2.8. Regards, --Anders.

02-17-2015, 10:05 PM	#32
ruggiex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: East Bay Area Photos: Gallery Posts: 811	Originally posted by carpents I think the cooler white balance on the Pentax makes it look that way, but is it really brighter? I normalized both by selecting a white balance based on the inside of the 'D' of the lens in the photo. Then looking at crops and histograms: I'll agree that there is some noise reduction happening on the Fuji (these were both shot raw, by the way). Except if you look at the overall picture, the Fuji is simply darker even if you warm up K5's image, no? The picture on DA15 might look very close but you can tell in the other areas. Maybe it would be more obvious shooting a gray card or something. I haven't really done the test myself but I do feel that in general I need to boost the EV from the Fuji a little in post to be closer to my K5/K3 files.

02-18-2015, 05:53 AM	#33
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by carpents I'll agree that there is some noise reduction happening on the Fuji (these were both shot raw, by the way). Add some noise reduction to the Pentax files, lose some detail and some noise, you'll be back to par. Your initial statements of a noise advantage for Fuji do not hold up.

02-20-2015, 09:01 AM	#34
ScooterMaxi Jim Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,520	Originally posted by chiane Thanks so much for your thoughts. Your comments about getting good results in LR may kill my Fuji thoughts, as that would drive me nuts. I use LR and photoshop as my workflow and am not dying to add a completely new program into the mix. As a LR user primarily since version 3, it does appear that Adobe has resorted to milking the entire PS/LR structure with only marginal improvements in several years. The X-trans situation is inexcusable. All the major converter brands had trouble with it originally, but excellent profiles emerged within weeks or months. Reportedly, Adobe has indicated that they can't (won't?) nail it. I'm back to Capture One v. 8 (for Pentax), using LR only for IR conversion from a Samsung compact. IQ from C1 is significantly better with much more complex micro-sharpening capabilities, better masking options, higher color accuracy, and far-quicker workflow. Other major converter programs have also surpassed LR. I think the Fuji camera is a real contender, and would fit your general shooting profile. The lens system is highly rated. However, you're right that the Fuji would be far off its potential if you're limited to LR for conversion. I understand the cataloguing concern because the LR system essentially locks you into it. However, I had to escape it when my Pentax files provided significantly better results in C1 - with a much quicker workflow.