New K-3 Firmware v1.20

Unregistered User · 04-16-2015, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by Supakatti

That I was meaning! I have tried with several lenses and checked, double- tripplechecked all the options of the menu to ensure, everything is right. But it does not work with me. In that case, there is something else wrong with my camera.
Tack so mycket Tjompen!

I know there is a bug when it comes to CIF but can´t remember what is was. One thing to remember is that you have to have a lens with a A/M switch set to M or a fully manual lens. You can not use a standard lens and set the AF to Manual, then it will not work. The camera has to be in AF-mode.

PiDicus Rex · 04-16-2015, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by LaurenOE

Granted, the output is 720p 60, but I record to my Ninja all the time now.

Isn't it meant to be a 1080 output?
How did you confirm that it's 720p Lauren ?
I've suspected for a while that Pentax's HDMI isn't true 1080, one poster here commented that it's 1080i.

stevebrot · 04-16-2015, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by kooks

Actually i think that they say something about that feature at the PF interview at CP+..

Not from LR. That would require work by Adobe. What Ricoh hinted at was tether support similar to what is offered on the 645Z

Steve

stevebrot · 04-16-2015, 05:31 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Tjompen1968

I know there is a bug when it comes to CIF but can´t remember what is was.

It does not work with lenses having a non-conductive mount face. The solution is to find a way to short the data pin on the body.

Steve

Last edited by stevebrot; 04-25-2015 at 09:15 AM.

CypherOz · 04-16-2015, 06:03 PM

Some issues but now show stoppers

**LaurenOE** · 04-16-2015, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by PiDicus Rex

Isn't it meant to be a 1080 output?
How did you confirm that it's 720p Lauren ?
I've suspected for a while that Pentax's HDMI isn't true 1080, one poster here commented that it's 1080i.

1080i and 720p are essentially the same thing.
Output from the camera is 720p 60. - from the HDMI port.
How do I know?
It shows that on my Atomos Ninja as the input signal.
And I don't worry about it too much.
It would be (will be?) nice when we get a higher HDMI out and a simple menu choice to take away all the displays (it takes a few places to make them disappear), but for the times when it's not practical to record in camera and go over 20minutes or so, the 720p to the Ninja is just fine.

Recording, obviously you get 1080p.

PiDicus Rex · 04-17-2015, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by LaurenOE

1080i and 720p are essentially the same thing.

er, no, and not even remotely close.
1920x1080 is a heck of a difference to 1280x720.
That the Ninja sees 720 suggests your K-3 is set to output 720, or perhaps 'auto' and they're negotiating to 720.
If its set to 1080 and the Ninja sees 720, that's when something fishy is going on that we should all be concerned with.

( I know the K-01 can be set to output 576p, 720p, 1080i, Auto, when set to PAL, change the 576 to 480 for NTSC - I'm assuming the K-3 does the same,.... off to read manual.pdf,..)

**LaurenOE** · 04-17-2015, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by PiDicus Rex

er, no, and not even remotely close.
1920x1080 is a heck of a difference to 1280x720.
That the Ninja sees 720 suggests your K-3 is set to output 720, or perhaps 'auto' and they're negotiating to 720.
If its set to 1080 and the Ninja sees 720, that's when something fishy is going on that we should all be concerned with.

( I know the K-01 can be set to output 576p, 720p, 1080i, Auto, when set to PAL, change the 576 to 480 for NTSC - I'm assuming the K-3 does the same,.... off to read manual.pdf,..)

Sure there is a difference (obviously) and here is why I say what I say when it comes to the K3 and 1080i and 720p

720p vs 1080i - What is the Difference?

Pretty much not important in the context of the HDMI out from the K3.
The K3 is doing exactly what it is supposed to do with an 1080i signal to the Ninja (LCD Monitor).

IchabodCrane · 04-17-2015, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by LaurenOE

Sure there is a difference (obviously) and here is why I say what I say when it comes to the K3 and 1080i and 720p

720p vs 1080i - What is the Difference?

Pretty much not important in the context of the HDMI out from the K3.
The K3 is doing exactly what it is supposed to do with an 1080i signal to the Ninja (LCD Monitor).

Lauren, I don't think that article correctly explains the de-interlacing process. Yes, interlaced signals (commonly 1080i) must be converted to a progressive signal for display on a modern digital monitor. There are different ways of doing this, each with it's pluses and minuses. The result is a 1080P signal but with motion artifacts from the conversion process. This is the general reason why ESPN and ABC (along with Fox) chose to broadcast in 720P as there are no de-interlacing artifacts involved. CBS and NBC chose 1080i. In general (always a problem to say this), 720P is better for sports while 1080i is better for still images.

PiDicus Rex · 04-17-2015, 09:35 AM

720p being better for sports isn't a factor in a broadcasters decisions.
Any comments they make claiming such is just PR Spin.
720 is chosen to save money and make more money - it uses a substantially lower bandwidth with the same compression per frame, and that's without taking in to account the 4:3 squeeze that the broadcast signals get - 1920x1080 is transmitted ( radio and cable ) as 1440x1080 with rectangular pixels.
This means they can run an extra side-channel within their allocated broadcast bandwidth, which they charge money to fill with advertorial programming, such as the shopping networks shown here in Australia,

But back to the HDMI,. If the camera is set to output 1080 (i or p) and the Ninja sees that as 720, then either the camera is not sending 1080, or the Ninja is set up wrong for 1080.
If the camera sends 1080, the Ninja should be recording in 1080.

So we're back to, what's the camera set to?

And I did notice the comment about needing to turn off the displays everywhere.

I assume that means in the menus for the histogram and the like, and cycling the info button for the status overlays.
Thank you for that, it reduces my reasons to not buy a K-3 almost in half.

semaca · 04-17-2015, 12:16 PM - **1 Like**

Can we have in a future firmware another color for focus peaking? Like red.

maxxxx · 04-17-2015, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by semaca

Can we have in a future firmware another color for focus peaking? Like red.

That would be nice. I have never tried but maybe blinking would be helpful too?

kooks · 04-18-2015, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by semaca

Can we have in a future firmware another color for focus peaking? Like red.

I was wondering about the same thing.. or let us choose what color we prefer.. for example. red, green and white ... at this time sometimes if the object is to bright is kind of difficult tell. So yes, that would be a nice little useful feature.

cwaters · 04-18-2015, 10:52 AM

Not sure why but my camera doesn't seem to want to update the firmware. I've tried several times, downloaded the file again and again, tried different cards and when turned on while holding the menu button I never get that firmware screen.
Worked when I went from whatever came on the camera to 1.11.

Unregistered User · 04-18-2015, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by cwaters

Not sure why but my camera doesn't seem to want to update the firmware. I've tried several times, downloaded the file again and again, tried different cards and when turned on while holding the menu button I never get that firmware screen.
Worked when I went from whatever came on the camera to 1.11.

The filename may have been altered... Are you on a Mac?

There is a thread dealing with these problems, probably one on FW1.11

04-17-2015, 12:25 PM	#42
maxxxx Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 385	Originally posted by semaca Can we have in a future firmware another color for focus peaking? Like red. That would be nice. I have never tried but maybe blinking would be helpful too? Last edited by maxxxx; 04-17-2015 at 12:32 PM.

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04-16-2015, 04:58 AM	#31
Unregistered User Guest	Originally posted by Supakatti That I was meaning! I have tried with several lenses and checked, double- tripplechecked all the options of the menu to ensure, everything is right. But it does not work with me. In that case, there is something else wrong with my camera. Tack so mycket Tjompen! I know there is a bug when it comes to CIF but can´t remember what is was. One thing to remember is that you have to have a lens with a A/M switch set to M or a fully manual lens. You can not use a standard lens and set the AF to Manual, then it will not work. The camera has to be in AF-mode.

04-16-2015, 05:18 AM	#32
PiDicus Rex Veteran Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,381	Originally posted by LaurenOE Granted, the output is 720p 60, but I record to my Ninja all the time now. Isn't it meant to be a 1080 output? How did you confirm that it's 720p Lauren ? I've suspected for a while that Pentax's HDMI isn't true 1080, one poster here commented that it's 1080i.

04-16-2015, 05:27 PM	#33
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by kooks Actually i think that they say something about that feature at the PF interview at CP+.. Not from LR. That would require work by Adobe. What Ricoh hinted at was tether support similar to what is offered on the 645Z Steve

04-16-2015, 05:31 PM - 1 Like	#34
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Tjompen1968 I know there is a bug when it comes to CIF but can´t remember what is was. It does not work with lenses having a non-conductive mount face. The solution is to find a way to short the data pin on the body. Steve Last edited by stevebrot; 04-25-2015 at 09:15 AM.

04-16-2015, 06:03 PM	#35
CypherOz Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Adelaide Posts: 246	Some issues but now show stoppers

04-16-2015, 07:40 PM	#36
LaurenOE Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Back in Florida, but worldwide gigs! Photos: Albums Posts: 3,690	Originally posted by PiDicus Rex Isn't it meant to be a 1080 output? How did you confirm that it's 720p Lauren ? I've suspected for a while that Pentax's HDMI isn't true 1080, one poster here commented that it's 1080i. 1080i and 720p are essentially the same thing. Output from the camera is 720p 60. - from the HDMI port. How do I know? It shows that on my Atomos Ninja as the input signal. And I don't worry about it too much. It would be (will be?) nice when we get a higher HDMI out and a simple menu choice to take away all the displays (it takes a few places to make them disappear), but for the times when it's not practical to record in camera and go over 20minutes or so, the 720p to the Ninja is just fine. Recording, obviously you get 1080p.

04-17-2015, 06:26 AM	#37
PiDicus Rex Veteran Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,381	Originally posted by LaurenOE 1080i and 720p are essentially the same thing. er, no, and not even remotely close. 1920x1080 is a heck of a difference to 1280x720. That the Ninja sees 720 suggests your K-3 is set to output 720, or perhaps 'auto' and they're negotiating to 720. If its set to 1080 and the Ninja sees 720, that's when something fishy is going on that we should all be concerned with. ( I know the K-01 can be set to output 576p, 720p, 1080i, Auto, when set to PAL, change the 576 to 480 for NTSC - I'm assuming the K-3 does the same,.... off to read manual.pdf,..)

04-17-2015, 07:01 AM	#38
LaurenOE Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Back in Florida, but worldwide gigs! Photos: Albums Posts: 3,690	Originally posted by PiDicus Rex er, no, and not even remotely close. 1920x1080 is a heck of a difference to 1280x720. That the Ninja sees 720 suggests your K-3 is set to output 720, or perhaps 'auto' and they're negotiating to 720. If its set to 1080 and the Ninja sees 720, that's when something fishy is going on that we should all be concerned with. ( I know the K-01 can be set to output 576p, 720p, 1080i, Auto, when set to PAL, change the 576 to 480 for NTSC - I'm assuming the K-3 does the same,.... off to read manual.pdf,..) Sure there is a difference (obviously) and here is why I say what I say when it comes to the K3 and 1080i and 720p 720p vs 1080i - What is the Difference? Pretty much not important in the context of the HDMI out from the K3. The K3 is doing exactly what it is supposed to do with an 1080i signal to the Ninja (LCD Monitor).

04-17-2015, 08:05 AM	#39
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by LaurenOE Sure there is a difference (obviously) and here is why I say what I say when it comes to the K3 and 1080i and 720p 720p vs 1080i - What is the Difference? Pretty much not important in the context of the HDMI out from the K3. The K3 is doing exactly what it is supposed to do with an 1080i signal to the Ninja (LCD Monitor). Lauren, I don't think that article correctly explains the de-interlacing process. Yes, interlaced signals (commonly 1080i) must be converted to a progressive signal for display on a modern digital monitor. There are different ways of doing this, each with it's pluses and minuses. The result is a 1080P signal but with motion artifacts from the conversion process. This is the general reason why ESPN and ABC (along with Fox) chose to broadcast in 720P as there are no de-interlacing artifacts involved. CBS and NBC chose 1080i. In general (always a problem to say this), 720P is better for sports while 1080i is better for still images.

04-17-2015, 09:35 AM	#40
PiDicus Rex Veteran Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,381	720p being better for sports isn't a factor in a broadcasters decisions. Any comments they make claiming such is just PR Spin. 720 is chosen to save money and make more money - it uses a substantially lower bandwidth with the same compression per frame, and that's without taking in to account the 4:3 squeeze that the broadcast signals get - 1920x1080 is transmitted ( radio and cable ) as 1440x1080 with rectangular pixels. This means they can run an extra side-channel within their allocated broadcast bandwidth, which they charge money to fill with advertorial programming, such as the shopping networks shown here in Australia, But back to the HDMI,. If the camera is set to output 1080 (i or p) and the Ninja sees that as 720, then either the camera is not sending 1080, or the Ninja is set up wrong for 1080. If the camera sends 1080, the Ninja should be recording in 1080. So we're back to, what's the camera set to? And I did notice the comment about needing to turn off the displays everywhere. I assume that means in the menus for the histogram and the like, and cycling the info button for the status overlays. Thank you for that, it reduces my reasons to not buy a K-3 almost in half.

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04-17-2015, 12:16 PM - 1 Like	#41
semaca Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: RO Posts: 143	Can we have in a future firmware another color for focus peaking? Like red.

04-18-2015, 02:06 AM	#43
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by semaca Can we have in a future firmware another color for focus peaking? Like red. I was wondering about the same thing.. or let us choose what color we prefer.. for example. red, green and white ... at this time sometimes if the object is to bright is kind of difficult tell. So yes, that would be a nice little useful feature.

04-18-2015, 10:52 AM	#44
cwaters Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 31	Not sure why but my camera doesn't seem to want to update the firmware. I've tried several times, downloaded the file again and again, tried different cards and when turned on while holding the menu button I never get that firmware screen. Worked when I went from whatever came on the camera to 1.11.

04-18-2015, 11:11 AM	#45
Unregistered User Guest	Originally posted by cwaters Not sure why but my camera doesn't seem to want to update the firmware. I've tried several times, downloaded the file again and again, tried different cards and when turned on while holding the menu button I never get that firmware screen. Worked when I went from whatever came on the camera to 1.11. The filename may have been altered... Are you on a Mac? There is a thread dealing with these problems, probably one on FW1.11