Originally posted by civiletti You seem to see conversation as a battle of egos.
This is a battle of egos. Subjective opinion against subjective opinion. In situation of incomplete information, the only thing we are to rely on is our subjective view that differ from person to person, depending on our background and personal history. So, that's the art of presenting incomplete information. In sales, we know that 99% of purchase decision starts with emotions and then we try to rationalize the decision by looking for elements that back out decision (even after a purchase, we are looking for rational elements to confirm our decision in order not to lose face). If the K-3II outresolves a D810, all owners of D810 will deny it, otherwise they'd lose face for having spent so much money. Now, what Pentaxians are doing with the K-3II is the same in reverse, Pentax does not currently offer a full frame camera, so, either people left to Nikon/Canon, or they say they don't need a full frame and they look for reasons to backup their claim, by doing a 100% crop comparison between a K-3 and a D610 for example, or by doing prints of K-3II pixel shift shot and from Canon 6D. At the end of the day, someone may buy a K-3II based on 48 inch print comparison and will post his pictures on the web and never do any large print.
Now, if you dig down every single details to know the truth, it will also be the truth given as set of accepted axioms. And if you find the truth base on scientific evidence (from commonly agreed scientific body of knowledge....), but that truth goes against the "socially proofed" thinking, you'll be shot down by the collective. As a scientist, you may publish some papers, and also be fired from the scientific community if you don't comply with commonly accepted rules. When in social interaction decides on our personal course (management ladder, or in politic), being "scientifically" correct does not matter, the degree to which you are liked will make you fate.... For instance, being elected as president, mostly depends on how well your speech compel to the audience, which consists of telling them what they like to hear (not the truth). There is no escape to social proof, it surround us in our every-day's life. To nail it down, I generalize by saying that most people taken individually are rather "smart" (if there is a definition for it), but when you put the same people in competition in groups, the results are rather idiotic. Just look at why and how wars happen, the practical result is nothing more then more people die for the personal interest of a few who will also die when their time will come, which if you look at it as an outsider looks really stupid, but for an insider is worth giving up life for irrational reasons.
K-3II versus 6D ? Well if you have a 6D, you'd probably pull out all the arguments in favor of the 6D, and if you own a K-3II, you look at pixel shift with a binocular and say that K-3II outperform other cameras. It's all about framing. So, here is Pentaxforum, the place to defend the merits of Pentax products (now Ricoh, but it does not matter). If Canon purchased Pentax imaging, how weird would that K-3II vs 6D discussion be?