Pentax k3 III

thibs · 01-10-2016, 01:52 PM

No, the plastic prited one was to be shown, not the other one.

D1N0 · 01-10-2016, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by thibs

No, the plastic prited one was to be shown, not the other one.

That would have been stupid. 6 month's since cp+ and still a hunk of plastic would have pissed us off no end. Better not show anything then. It's not like photoplus is a major show.

thibs · 01-10-2016, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

That would have been stupid. 6 month's since cp+ and still a hunk of plastic would have pissed us off no end. Better not show anything then. It's not like photoplus is a major show.

I agree but it is clear IMO that the plan was the plastic thing. Dunno about Paris though: maybe planned, maybe forced after photoplus.
In any case, even unplanned, I wouldn't have pulled the 'K-1'. It was anyhow so...

totsmuyco · 01-10-2016, 11:00 PM

I'd still like to see an APS-C pro camera that can shoot noise free at ISO 6400. Man I would love to have one if it comes out. Maybe even two.

gazonk · 01-11-2016, 05:25 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by robthebloke

Comparing both side by side, the k-s1 has the noticeably better sensor wrt noise and high ISO performance.

The K-S1 is incredibly good in low light. I found a very good deal on a new K-S1 and gave it to my son for Christmas, and was surprised by the clean shots he got at ISO 1600 and 3200 in dim lamp light at a christmas party three days later. I'm pretty sure it's better than my K-5. It's a new world for him - he used my old K10D until now.

**Digitalis** · 01-11-2016, 05:41 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

I'd still like to see an APS-C pro camera that can shoot noise free at ISO 6400.

Can't be done.

Zygonyx · 01-11-2016, 06:14 AM

Wait for CMOS pack BSI / EXMOR R, the new 28 Mpix from Sony should arrive this year.
At least that should be better than current models.

D1N0 · 01-11-2016, 06:18 AM

The effect of BSI is marginal. Maybe half a stop.

mee · 01-11-2016, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

The effect of BSI is marginal. Maybe half a stop.

I'll take any advantage in ISO performance.

Fogel70 · 01-11-2016, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

I'd still like to see an APS-C pro camera that can shoot noise free at ISO 6400. Man I would love to have one if it comes out. Maybe even two.

Any camera can give you noise free images at ISO 6400, it's just a matter of down-sample the resolution of the images enough.

Pentax could just add an 0.1MP option in K3 II to give you noise free images at any ISO.

Simen1 · 01-11-2016, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

The effect of BSI is marginal. Maybe half a stop.

Maybe half a stop with 1 micron pixels. With larger pixels it has a lower effect. Maby in the 5-15% range, but event that is a welcome improvement.

But there is more to expect. Stacked sensors (like electronics in a layer behind the pixel wells) can add various nice features like faster readout (less rolling shutter effect) or double readouts within a single shot (to increace DR).

D1N0 · 01-11-2016, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by mee

I'll take any advantage in ISO performance.

Then go full frame

ogl · 01-11-2016, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

The effect of BSI is marginal. Maybe half a stop.

It's not bad.

Anyway, we will have FF for better ISO and DR. It will be time to choose.

**bobbotron** · 01-11-2016, 11:54 AM

I continue to be impressed with the K3. Any short comings in my photos are generally through poor planning or execution. Get thee a tripod or a flash(s). :-)

mee · 01-11-2016, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

Then go full frame

or.. just appreciate any gains that can be found in Dx style crop bodies.

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01-10-2016, 01:52 PM	#136
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	No, the plastic prited one was to be shown, not the other one.

01-10-2016, 02:13 PM	#137
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by thibs No, the plastic prited one was to be shown, not the other one. That would have been stupid. 6 month's since cp+ and still a hunk of plastic would have pissed us off no end. Better not show anything then. It's not like photoplus is a major show.

01-10-2016, 02:30 PM	#138
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by D1N0 That would have been stupid. 6 month's since cp+ and still a hunk of plastic would have pissed us off no end. Better not show anything then. It's not like photoplus is a major show. I agree but it is clear IMO that the plan was the plastic thing. Dunno about Paris though: maybe planned, maybe forced after photoplus. In any case, even unplanned, I wouldn't have pulled the 'K-1'. It was anyhow so...

01-10-2016, 11:00 PM	#139
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	I'd still like to see an APS-C pro camera that can shoot noise free at ISO 6400. Man I would love to have one if it comes out. Maybe even two.

01-11-2016, 05:25 AM - 1 Like	#140
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by robthebloke Comparing both side by side, the k-s1 has the noticeably better sensor wrt noise and high ISO performance. The K-S1 is incredibly good in low light. I found a very good deal on a new K-S1 and gave it to my son for Christmas, and was surprised by the clean shots he got at ISO 1600 and 3200 in dim lamp light at a christmas party three days later. I'm pretty sure it's better than my K-5. It's a new world for him - he used my old K10D until now.

01-11-2016, 05:41 AM	#141
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by totsmuyco I'd still like to see an APS-C pro camera that can shoot noise free at ISO 6400. Can't be done.

01-11-2016, 06:14 AM	#142
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Wait for CMOS pack BSI / EXMOR R, the new 28 Mpix from Sony should arrive this year. At least that should be better than current models.

01-11-2016, 06:18 AM	#143
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	The effect of BSI is marginal. Maybe half a stop.

01-11-2016, 06:29 AM	#144
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by D1N0 The effect of BSI is marginal. Maybe half a stop. I'll take any advantage in ISO performance.

01-11-2016, 06:40 AM	#145
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by totsmuyco I'd still like to see an APS-C pro camera that can shoot noise free at ISO 6400. Man I would love to have one if it comes out. Maybe even two. Any camera can give you noise free images at ISO 6400, it's just a matter of down-sample the resolution of the images enough. Pentax could just add an 0.1MP option in K3 II to give you noise free images at any ISO.

01-11-2016, 07:46 AM	#146
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	Originally posted by D1N0 The effect of BSI is marginal. Maybe half a stop. Maybe half a stop with 1 micron pixels. With larger pixels it has a lower effect. Maby in the 5-15% range, but event that is a welcome improvement. But there is more to expect. Stacked sensors (like electronics in a layer behind the pixel wells) can add various nice features like faster readout (less rolling shutter effect) or double readouts within a single shot (to increace DR).

01-11-2016, 07:49 AM	#147
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by mee I'll take any advantage in ISO performance. Then go full frame

01-11-2016, 10:16 AM	#148
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by D1N0 The effect of BSI is marginal. Maybe half a stop. It's not bad. Anyway, we will have FF for better ISO and DR. It will be time to choose.

01-11-2016, 11:54 AM	#149
bobbotron Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,349	I continue to be impressed with the K3. Any short comings in my photos are generally through poor planning or execution. Get thee a tripod or a flash(s). :-)

01-11-2016, 03:07 PM	#150
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by D1N0 Then go full frame or.. just appreciate any gains that can be found in Dx style crop bodies.