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03-28-2018, 12:55 PM - 3 Likes   #16
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My dealer knows the trick. The last time I got into a different system thinking I'd shoot two systems , I ended up selling all of my old system and buy a lot of lenses for the new system (Pentax K1). Now, I went for a lens exchange for the same system and the dealer show cased me the A7 III, because he knows that if I buy that new camera I will need lenses, that will generate a lot more revenue for the dealer as opposed to if I would only fine tune my existing system. Chances are, if you get into a second system, you get into a lot more expenses than you have originally though, that has to be compared to the benefit vs keeping your existing system and using it at no cost.
I bought into Sony A-mount - additional to Pentax - for completely irrational reasons, and I've no regret in doing so - but I completely agree with the above. With a second - or even replacement - system, you usually end up buying way more than you ever expected. It is not for the faint-hearted, or those strapped for cash. It's not something I'd do again, frankly.

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Noted. And I guess i understand your point. But you have to decided if missing the shot is less important if you continue to stick camera that is missing an important feature for you.
The thing is, most missed shots are usually - with respect - down to under-developed skill and technique, and over-dependence on camera features (I have plenty of experience in such matters ). We have so many decades of pre-digital-era photographs in almost every specialist area that prove the shots we want can be taken, and taken well, with incredibly basic equipment and the necessary skills. Increasingly, we look for our cameras to make difficult shots much, much easier than before, and there's nothing wrong with that, of course - I cheerfully embrace autofocus, exposure bracketing, auto ISO, and a whole bunch of other modern DSLR / mirrorless features. But much of the time, we look to equipment to address our inabilities and failings, when development of skills and technique could give us what we need

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QuoteOriginally posted by BigMackCam Quote
I bought into Sony A-mount - additional to Pentax - for completely irrational reasons, and I've no regret in doing so - but I completely agree with the above. With a second - or even replacement - system, you usually end up buying way more than you ever expected. It is not for the faint-hearted, or those strapped for cash. It's not something I'd do again, frankly.



The thing is, most missed shots are usually - with respect - down to under-developed skill and technique, and over-dependence on camera features (I have plenty of experience in such matters ). We have so many decades of pre-digital-era photographs in almost every specialist area that prove the shots we want can be taken, and taken well, with incredibly basic equipment and the necessary skills. Increasingly, we look for our cameras to make difficult shots much, much easier than before, and there's nothing wrong with that, of course - I cheerfully embrace autofocus, exposure bracketing, auto ISO, and a whole bunch of other modern DSLR / mirrorless features. But much of the time, we look to equipment to address our inabilities and failings, when development of skills and technique could give us what we need
Can we get the choir to chime in here? LOL Skill is hard. Tech is easy. But some tech is revolutionary and gives you options you never had - some is only evolutionary and makes easier things you could previously do but not as well.
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Is there any particular reason those doing weddings aren't looking into something like a D750 which is basically made for that? The lens ecosystem for Sony is more expensive and has less options than Nikon's.
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Is there any particular reason those doing weddings aren't looking into something like a D750 which is basically made for that? The lens ecosystem for Sony is more expensive and has less options than Nikon's.
I've never shot weddings, nor do I intend to, but I don't know of any system from any major brand (Pentax included) that doesn't have perfectly suitable lenses for the job, whether micro 4/3, APS-C or full-frame. For the most part, you need a fast wide-normal zoom and telephoto zoom combo. Maybe add in a fast prime for creative shallow-depth-of-field, and a decent macro for ring and cake shots, that sort of thing... But surely, that - and some skill - has it covered... No?

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I've never shot weddings, nor do I intend to, but I don't know of any system from any major brand (Pentax included) that doesn't have perfectly suitable lenses for the job, whether micro 4/3, APS-C or full-frame. For the most part, you need a fast wide-normal zoom and telephoto zoom combo. Maybe add in a fast prime for creative shallow-depth-of-field, and a decent macro for ring and cake shots, that sort of thing... But surely, that - and some skill - has it covered... No?
I'm saying because the main reason people go to Sony for weddings is because they feel Pentax AF isn't good enough.
Nikon's AF-C might be the best out there.
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QuoteOriginally posted by BigMackCam Quote
I bought into Sony A-mount - additional to Pentax - for completely irrational reasons, and I've no regret in doing so - but I completely agree with the above. With a second - or even replacement - system, you usually end up buying way more than you ever expected. It is not for the faint-hearted, or those strapped for cash. It's not something I'd do again, frankly.

The thing is, most missed shots are usually - with respect - down to under-developed skill and technique, and over-dependence on camera features (I have plenty of experience in such matters ). We have so many decades of pre-digital-era photographs in almost every specialist area that prove the shots we want can be taken, and taken well, with incredibly basic equipment and the necessary skills. Increasingly, we look for our cameras to make difficult shots much, much easier than before, and there's nothing wrong with that, of course - I cheerfully embrace autofocus, exposure bracketing, auto ISO, and a whole bunch of other modern DSLR / mirrorless features. But much of the time, we look to equipment to address our inabilities and failings, when development of skills and technique could give us what we need
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Can we get the choir to chime in here? LOL Skill is hard. Tech is easy. But some tech is revolutionary and gives you options you never had - some is only evolutionary and makes easier things you could previously do but not as well.
AF is a sore topic for us Pentaxians. We are always on the deference about it.
We praise our ergonomics, we praise our weather sealing. Since pentax is not perfect I am sure some companies might have some things better than us. Say AF?
I am not even sure that is true but I am guessing it is possible.
Like UncleVanya said skill is hard, Tech is easy. True to that.
I learnt photography in the digital era. So I dont have the skill of someone who started in the film era, I understand that. I just dont have the time to master that skill
If technology can cut that down I am all for it.
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Thanks a lot for all the inputs, sorry for my delayed reply on the thread !
With the little infant(s) I'm now too lazy and too tired to sharpen my skill (many parents with infants will probably agree with me on this, taking care of a child is like 3 extra full-time jobs already) I just want the tech to do the hard parts (AF) and just need it to works without too much sweat/patience. Frankly i've never use a Sony 6x00 and just saw all the vids/ads about how amazing the AF is, I'll try to rent/borrow one to play with and see if its eye-AF is really that good or just my imagination (grass in always greener on the other side )
One down side I can tell now is that Sony don't have sth like FA 77, FA 43 : small lens with quite large aperture (I love bokeh, portrait with heavily blurred background), all Sony lens seem to be big and heavy (compared to the small body), if there was an adapter for Pentax lenses with AF on a Sony there wouldn't be so much headache !!!

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QuoteOriginally posted by ChristianRock Quote
I'm saying because the main reason people go to Sony for weddings is because they feel Pentax AF isn't good enough.
Nikon's AF-C might be the best out there.
Sure, understood. If they were photographing fast-moving subjects, I can absolutely see the attraction. But wedding photography - at least most of the time - is going to rely on AF.S rather than AF.C, and Pentax AF.S is very accurate if lenses are set up correctly.

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AF is a sore topic for us Pentaxians. We are always on the deference about it.
We praise our ergonomics, we praise our weather sealing. Since pentax is not perfect I am sure some companies might have some things better than us. Say AF?
Pentax is definitely trailing in AF.C performance - no question. It's never been a sore topic for me, and I don't feel the need to defend it... it is what it is (though, of course, I'd like it to be improved). As mentioned above, though, Pentax AF.S is very accurate if AF fine adjustment has been carried out properly, and the photographer has good understanding of how autofocus works.

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Like UncleVanya said skill is hard, Tech is easy. True to that.
I learnt photography in the digital era. So I dont have the skill of someone who started in the film era, I understand that. I just dont have the time to master that skill
If technology can cut that down I am all for it.
Like you, I learned photography in the digital era. Over the years, I've experienced many problems that I thought were failings in my equipment, and a select few of them really were - well, perhaps not failings, but weaknesses. Most, however, were my own lack of skill or understanding, and were resolved through learning (much of which, due to the good folks of these forums). I got a lot of satisfaction from that process, and continue to do so.

I completely understand there will be folks that don't have the time or desire to learn and improve their skills, and as I already mentioned, there's nothing wrong with switching to different equipment to solve a problem. But whilst tech might be easy, it costs time and money. It could take many weeks or months to sell existing gear, establish a new kit - camera, lenses, flashes, triggers, accessories etc. - and become entirely familiar with it. On the other hand, improving skills and learning new ones is mostly free (financially, at least), and can start today. Who knows how much can be learned in the same time it takes to fully switch platforms? Again, I'm not saying one approach is better than another... only that there is a real alternative to buying new gear

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Sure, understood. If they were photographing fast-moving subjects, I can absolutely see the attraction. But wedding photography - at least most of the time - is going to rely on AF.S rather than AF.C, and Pentax AF.S is very accurate if lenses are set up correctly.
I don't do weddings but I think that's the point where the people who do, will disagree. First because they want AF-C when the bridal party is moving and walking down the isle. Second because they want eye tracking AF, something Nikon and Sony have gotten really good about, and Canon belatedly also implemented in the 5D IV.

And let's not even get into what might happen if they want to have one system for photos and video...
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I don't do weddings but I think that's the point where the people who do, will disagree. First because they want AF-C when the bridal party is moving and walking down the isle. Second because they want eye tracking AF, something Nikon and Sony have gotten really good about, and Canon belatedly also implemented in the 5D IV.
Gotcha. You could well be right.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with Pentax AF.C for a subject moving at that speed, and I guess I struggle to see how much benefit eye tracking AF offers here unless the photographer is working with super-shallow depth-of-field. But there's no doubt the other brands offer better AF.C, and if I depended on that for a living, or even the majority of my hobby photography, I'd probably shoot something other than Pentax...
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I'm older than some of you and used manual focus for many many years. My wedding was shot on medium format in manual focus. People get too hung up on autofocus in my opinion - but I appreciate how it can help.

On top of AF; composition, subjects eyes open, perfect expression, etc will be what you want to grab. This is where the 4k video stills mode (oxymoronic term, not sure they call it that) on Panasonic (and others?) can provide fabulous results with kids
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Thanks a lot for all the inputs, sorry for my delayed reply on the thread !
With the little infant(s) I'm now too lazy and too tired to sharpen my skill (many parents with infants will probably agree with me on this, taking care of a child is like 3 extra full-time jobs already) I just want the tech to do the hard parts (AF) and just need it to works without too much sweat/patience. Frankly i've never use a Sony 6x00 and just saw all the vids/ads about how amazing the AF is, I'll try to rent/borrow one to play with and see if its eye-AF is really that good or just my imagination (grass in always greener on the other side )
One down side I can tell now is that Sony don't have sth like FA 77, FA 43 : small lens with quite large aperture (I love bokeh, portrait with heavily blurred background), all Sony lens seem to be big and heavy (compared to the small body), if there was an adapter for Pentax lenses with AF on a Sony there wouldn't be so much headache !!!
I know the feeling. It's hard trying to photograph a fidgety toddler that can't seem to ever sit still. Sony has some pretty amazing tech.


^ That's Eye AF on the A6300, which will perform the same exact way on the A6500. It seems like the recent A9 & recent A7 series is pushing the Eye AF even further. Try keeping that kind of eye focus on a Pentax.

The only downside with Sony APS-C E-mount is the lack of really decent APS-C lenses. The full frame has more, but they are pricey. Panasonic also has a similar eye focus & I think Olympus does too, but I don't think they're as fast as the Sony.
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It seems like the recent A9 & recent A7 series is pushing the Eye AF even further. Try keeping that kind of eye focus on a Pentax.
What if I want to focus on other parts of the body? With my Pentax I can focus anywhere.
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The grass is not always greener on the other side. These are the things i miss when im shooting my sony aps-c. 1. weather-sealing, pentax is spoiling us with relatively affordable weather sealed camera and lenses. olympus and fuji can give you this, but at a much higher price. 2. small 55-300mm, native apsc e mount maxes out at 200mm, 3. IBIS unless your buying a6500 which is about the same price as the A7ii. 4. in camera raw processing. 5. built in time lapse (no more play memories in newer bodies). 6. sony's apsc system has the the worst price to quality ratio in my opinion, unlike the FE counterpart, prepare to pay significantly higher price for mediocre optical lens performance.
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What if I want to focus on other parts of the body? With my Pentax I can focus anywhere.
Except the outer 2/3 of the image area. ....OUCH
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