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**AggieDad** · 03-18-2019, 08:15 PM

Is it possible with my K-3ii to take a picture such that it is saved both as RAW color and JPG monochrome?

My idea is to see the monochrome side-by-side with the color. I know I can do this in post by using a duplicate file, but I thought this might be good for on-site comparison as I work to hone my monochrome skills.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts and help.

Don

Adam · 03-18-2019, 08:28 PM

Yes. All raw files are color, so just set your jpegs to monochrome and you'll have both. The only way to see both versions in-camera would be to manually apply different development settings in playback mode, however.

**tduell** · 03-18-2019, 08:29 PM

I would think you should be able to do this by saving RAW to one card and JPEG to the second card, and also set Custom Image to "Monochrome" which should only affect the JPEG.
At least that's what the K-1 manual says, don't have the K-3 II manual readily to hand but suspect it is the same.

Cheers,
Terry

vector · 03-18-2019, 08:31 PM

I don't think you can do it such that it shows the color and BW instantly, but as 2 step process it works in camera. First shoot raw, view the image, then push the down button to convert to JPG and choose BW and save it. Doing this my K3 does still show both the color and BW images and I can flip between them on the camera display.

**UncleVanya** · 03-19-2019, 12:22 AM

The issue you run into is that whatever jpg settings you have set to apply to the jpg also apply to the jpg embedded in the raw that is used to preview the raw.

**AggieDad** · 03-19-2019, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by vector

I don't think you can do it such that it shows the color and BW instantly, but as 2 step process it works in camera. First shoot raw, view the image, then push the down button to convert to JPG and choose BW and save it. Doing this my K3 does still show both the color and BW images and I can flip between them on the camera display.

I tried this today. I would push the down button and then select the B&W filter. Then the camera would prompt me to save the B&W image to one or the other cards. Is this what is typical or am I not understanding you?

Thanks to all for your responses. In my typical less-than-intrepid way, this spring I will be putting my efforts into improving my totally inadequate monochrome skills.

**UncleVanya** · 03-19-2019, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by AggieDad

I tried this today. I would push the down button and then select the B&W filter. Then the camera would prompt me to save the B&W image to one or the other cards. Is this what is typical or am I not understanding you?

That's normal. You are asking the camera to process the raw and output a separate jpg. You can make multiple files if you want.

**tduell** · 03-19-2019, 09:05 PM

It has crossed my mind that a pixelshift image converted to monochrome may show some interesting improvements over non-pixelshift.
That would be an interesting experiment that you might wish to look at in your excursions into monochrome.

Cheers,
Terry

**UncleVanya** · 03-20-2019, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by tduell

It has crossed my mind that a pixelshift image converted to monochrome may show some interesting improvements over non-pixelshift.
That would be an interesting experiment that you might wish to look at in your excursions into monochrome.

Cheers,
Terry

The primary benefit of pixel shift is color accuracy. Conversion to monochrome might be a little more accurate.

Maksim · 03-20-2019, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by AggieDad

I tried this today. I would push the down button and then select the B&W filter. Then the camera would prompt me to save the B&W image to one or the other cards. Is this what is typical or am I not understanding you?

Thanks to all for your responses. In my typical less-than-intrepid way, this spring I will be putting my efforts into improving my totally inadequate monochrome skills.

I don't understand... what are you trying to accomplish with using the built in b&w filter versus doing it right in Lightroom?

**clackers** · 03-20-2019, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Maksim

I don't understand... what are you trying to accomplish with using the built in b&w filter versus doing it right in Lightroom?

Chimping at the location means you can see you need to take another shot rather than get home to find on the computer that a light green area and light red area merge in B&W to be indistinguishable, etc.

**AggieDad** · 03-20-2019, 07:25 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by clackers

Chimping at the location means you can see you need to take another shot rather than get home to find on the computer that a light green area and light red area merge in B&W to be indistinguishable, etc.

You are exactly right. I am still learning to "see in black & white" when I look at colors. My thinking was that this would perhaps help me improve my skills of looking at a scene and seeing in my mind the variations and subtleties of shade and tone of monotone that result from different colors.

03-18-2019, 08:15 PM	#1
AggieDad Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,458	Can I Do This? Is it possible with my K-3ii to take a picture such that it is saved both as RAW color and JPG monochrome? My idea is to see the monochrome side-by-side with the color. I know I can do this in post by using a duplicate file, but I thought this might be good for on-site comparison as I work to hone my monochrome skills. Thanks in advance for any thoughts and help. Don

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tduell Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,517	I would think you should be able to do this by saving RAW to one card and JPEG to the second card, and also set Custom Image to "Monochrome" which should only affect the JPEG. At least that's what the K-1 manual says, don't have the K-3 II manual readily to hand but suspect it is the same. Cheers, Terry

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vector Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alberta Posts: 713	I don't think you can do it such that it shows the color and BW instantly, but as 2 step process it works in camera. First shoot raw, view the image, then push the down button to convert to JPG and choose BW and save it. Doing this my K3 does still show both the color and BW images and I can flip between them on the camera display.

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UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,468	The issue you run into is that whatever jpg settings you have set to apply to the jpg also apply to the jpg embedded in the raw that is used to preview the raw.

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AggieDad Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,458 Original Poster	Originally posted by vector I don't think you can do it such that it shows the color and BW instantly, but as 2 step process it works in camera. First shoot raw, view the image, then push the down button to convert to JPG and choose BW and save it. Doing this my K3 does still show both the color and BW images and I can flip between them on the camera display. I tried this today. I would push the down button and then select the B&W filter. Then the camera would prompt me to save the B&W image to one or the other cards. Is this what is typical or am I not understanding you? Thanks to all for your responses. In my typical less-than-intrepid way, this spring I will be putting my efforts into improving my totally inadequate monochrome skills.

03-19-2019, 07:44 PM	#7
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,468	Originally posted by AggieDad I tried this today. I would push the down button and then select the B&W filter. Then the camera would prompt me to save the B&W image to one or the other cards. Is this what is typical or am I not understanding you? That's normal. You are asking the camera to process the raw and output a separate jpg. You can make multiple files if you want.

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tduell Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,517	It has crossed my mind that a pixelshift image converted to monochrome may show some interesting improvements over non-pixelshift. That would be an interesting experiment that you might wish to look at in your excursions into monochrome. Cheers, Terry

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UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,468	Originally posted by tduell It has crossed my mind that a pixelshift image converted to monochrome may show some interesting improvements over non-pixelshift. That would be an interesting experiment that you might wish to look at in your excursions into monochrome. Cheers, Terry The primary benefit of pixel shift is color accuracy. Conversion to monochrome might be a little more accurate.

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Maksim Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 80	Originally posted by AggieDad I tried this today. I would push the down button and then select the B&W filter. Then the camera would prompt me to save the B&W image to one or the other cards. Is this what is typical or am I not understanding you? Thanks to all for your responses. In my typical less-than-intrepid way, this spring I will be putting my efforts into improving my totally inadequate monochrome skills. I don't understand... what are you trying to accomplish with using the built in b&w filter versus doing it right in Lightroom?

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clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Maksim I don't understand... what are you trying to accomplish with using the built in b&w filter versus doing it right in Lightroom? Chimping at the location means you can see you need to take another shot rather than get home to find on the computer that a light green area and light red area merge in B&W to be indistinguishable, etc.

03-20-2019, 07:25 PM - 2 Likes	#12
AggieDad Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,458 Original Poster	Originally posted by clackers Chimping at the location means you can see you need to take another shot rather than get home to find on the computer that a light green area and light red area merge in B&W to be indistinguishable, etc. You are exactly right. I am still learning to "see in black & white" when I look at colors. My thinking was that this would perhaps help me improve my skills of looking at a scene and seeing in my mind the variations and subtleties of shade and tone of monotone that result from different colors.

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