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DeadJohn · 01-15-2015, 06:17 PM - **1 Like**

This is about camera theft. TX and CA have similar violent crime rates despite very different gun laws and practices, so don't assume a gun will immunize you from camera theft.

Does anyone really think the victim in the top link should have started shooting?

j2photos · 01-15-2015, 06:29 PM

I never said shooting was the answer, they may have similar crime rates but it's different kinds of crime. More often than not the presence of a gun is enough sheer deterrent. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it is my motto.

DeadJohn · 01-15-2015, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by j2photos

I never said shooting was the answer, they may have similar crime rates but it's different kinds of crime. More often than not the presence of a gun is enough sheer deterrent. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it is my motto.

It's very similar types of crime. I'm not in either State so don't care which state "wins", but it looks like your camera is equally safe in either CA or TX. www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf shows robbery a little higher in one state while burglary and theft are lower. (Murder rates happen to be identical.)

Sliver-Surfer · 01-15-2015, 09:04 PM

Check with your home insurance before vacationing. With mine anything stolen or damaged on vacation is covered but with a $1000 deductible. However, you can usually register your camera with house insurance for cheap $10yr for my a7 and there is no deductible if it is stolen/damaged. When I went to nyc it was very unburdening to know I could say to a mugger enjoy the camera. Also I took some risks with my Monopod and timer that before I would not.

j2photos · 01-15-2015, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

It's very similar types of crime. I'm not in either State so don't care which state "wins", but it looks like your camera is equally safe in either CA or TX. www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf shows robbery a little higher in one state while burglary and theft are lower. (Murder rates happen to be identical.)

And you're one of those that believes every statistic the government puts out?

I am not from Texas, I am not from California(I just live here) Ive spent time in Texas for business and for pleasure.
I am from Alabama. I can tell you from experience that I feel far safer in Alabama and Texas vs many places here in California.

Its honestly neither here nor there, I carry for a reason and it has served as a deterrent more than once. Gun control only keeps guns out of the hands of the honest people.

**Digitalis** · 01-15-2015, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by j2photos

More often than not the presence of a gun is enough sheer deterrent

But you have a license to conceal your firearm don't you? so whether you have a gun or not, is irrelevant.

Originally posted by j2photos

I have a conceal carry license, try and rob me and I am almost certain I can change a mind or two.

Having weapon doesn't change the mind of another (especially if that mind has criminal intentions) - they will simply pick on someone else who can't fight back.

Originally posted by j2photos

Gun control only keeps guns out of the hands of the honest people.

I have never met an honest person in my life, everyone wants something - how far they are prepared to get it is entirely dependent on the consequences.

"ACCOUNTABILITY, n.
The mother of caution."
-from the Devils dictionary

**clackers** · 01-15-2015, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by j2photos

Texas is one of those awesome places that allow people to protect themselves rather than become victims.

There are alternative ways to view that, J2photos, but that's for you and your legislatures to decide, not me! :-)

Last edited by clackers; 01-15-2015 at 11:20 PM.

DeadJohn · 01-15-2015, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by j2photos

And you're one of those that believes every statistic the government puts out?

And you're one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks the government makes things up whenever data doesn't fit your ideas?

TX has loose gun laws; it hasn't protected the state from crime. CA has restrictive gun laws; that hasn't protected the state either. Guns and gun laws are a distraction. Individual awareness and economic conditions are more important factors in camera theft.

j2photos · 01-15-2015, 11:39 PM

Nah, not a conspiracy theroist at all. Not much in the mood to continue a debate rooted with such liberal views

so for now, I'll agree to disagree.

01-15-2015, 11:12 PM	#36
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by j2photos More often than not the presence of a gun is enough sheer deterrent But you have a license to conceal your firearm don't you? so whether you have a gun or not, is irrelevant. Originally posted by j2photos I have a conceal carry license, try and rob me and I am almost certain I can change a mind or two. Having weapon doesn't change the mind of another (especially if that mind has criminal intentions) - they will simply pick on someone else who can't fight back. Originally posted by j2photos Gun control only keeps guns out of the hands of the honest people. I have never met an honest person in my life, everyone wants something - how far they are prepared to get it is entirely dependent on the consequences. "ACCOUNTABILITY, n. The mother of caution." -from the Devils dictionary Last edited by Digitalis; 01-15-2015 at 11:28 PM.

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01-15-2015, 06:17 PM - 1 Like	#31
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,833	This is about camera theft. TX and CA have similar violent crime rates despite very different gun laws and practices, so don't assume a gun will immunize you from camera theft. Does anyone really think the victim in the top link should have started shooting?

01-15-2015, 06:29 PM	#32
j2photos Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Manteca, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,653	I never said shooting was the answer, they may have similar crime rates but it's different kinds of crime. More often than not the presence of a gun is enough sheer deterrent. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it is my motto.

01-15-2015, 08:10 PM	#33
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,833	Originally posted by j2photos I never said shooting was the answer, they may have similar crime rates but it's different kinds of crime. More often than not the presence of a gun is enough sheer deterrent. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it is my motto. It's very similar types of crime. I'm not in either State so don't care which state "wins", but it looks like your camera is equally safe in either CA or TX. www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf shows robbery a little higher in one state while burglary and theft are lower. (Murder rates happen to be identical.)

01-15-2015, 09:04 PM	#34
Sliver-Surfer Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,558	Check with your home insurance before vacationing. With mine anything stolen or damaged on vacation is covered but with a $1000 deductible. However, you can usually register your camera with house insurance for cheap $10yr for my a7 and there is no deductible if it is stolen/damaged. When I went to nyc it was very unburdening to know I could say to a mugger enjoy the camera. Also I took some risks with my Monopod and timer that before I would not.

01-15-2015, 10:05 PM	#35
j2photos Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Manteca, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,653	Originally posted by DeadJohn It's very similar types of crime. I'm not in either State so don't care which state "wins", but it looks like your camera is equally safe in either CA or TX. www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf shows robbery a little higher in one state while burglary and theft are lower. (Murder rates happen to be identical.) And you're one of those that believes every statistic the government puts out? I am not from Texas, I am not from California(I just live here) Ive spent time in Texas for business and for pleasure. I am from Alabama. I can tell you from experience that I feel far safer in Alabama and Texas vs many places here in California. Its honestly neither here nor there, I carry for a reason and it has served as a deterrent more than once. Gun control only keeps guns out of the hands of the honest people.

01-15-2015, 11:12 PM	#37
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by j2photos Texas is one of those awesome places that allow people to protect themselves rather than become victims. There are alternative ways to view that, J2photos, but that's for you and your legislatures to decide, not me! :-) Last edited by clackers; 01-15-2015 at 11:20 PM.

01-15-2015, 11:18 PM	#38
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,833	Originally posted by j2photos And you're one of those that believes every statistic the government puts out? And you're one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks the government makes things up whenever data doesn't fit your ideas? TX has loose gun laws; it hasn't protected the state from crime. CA has restrictive gun laws; that hasn't protected the state either. Guns and gun laws are a distraction. Individual awareness and economic conditions are more important factors in camera theft.

01-15-2015, 11:39 PM	#39
j2photos Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Manteca, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,653	Nah, not a conspiracy theroist at all. Not much in the mood to continue a debate rooted with such liberal views so for now, I'll agree to disagree.

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