Somewhat Bummed

normhead · 12-16-2015, 12:07 PM

IN your position, you probably need to weed out the equipment you will no longer use because of the other equipment you've purchased. Unless you want to become an Adam or a Clinton. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

VoiceOfReason · 12-16-2015, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by kentster

I would love some input from ya on how it compares to your sigma. I have a 50-500 OS HSM. If it compares with the Tamron 150-600 with a 1.4 on it... I'd stick with Pentax I believe.

I will do a few tests with it. Got any requests? I did do a comparison of it and a few other lenses just to show magnification here: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/309623-comp...100-300-a.html

Of course that was just a quick and dirty. All but the Tamron were wide open (and the Tamron wasn't good in that test due to vibrations in the floor sicne I was walking around doing stuff). I can do much better tests. In fact I plan on doing an astrophotography test will all of those lenses next week from Nevada.

---------- Post added 12-16-15 at 02:09 PM ----------

Originally posted by normhead

IN your position, you probably need to weed out the equipment you will no longer use because of the other equipment you've purchased. Unless you want to become an Adam or a Clinton. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I lack the FA*250-600 and A*1200

I definitely will be posting things for sale in January.

kentster · 12-16-2015, 01:42 PM

Thank you...curious hot it does with birds. Does the T/C seam to degrade IQ ?

These are taken within a couple minutes of one another with almost identical settings...... My set up was even a little shutter speed.

The white swing is D7100 Tamron 150-600
The feeder is K3 with Sigma 50-500 HSM.

These are SOOTC...no lightroom adjustments.

I'm shooting for similar results to the swing picture.

**Billy Joe** · 12-16-2015, 02:25 PM

My goodness if you are shooting birds siting on a wire or feeder, just get a long zoom P&S - you guys are talking crazy money for average shots.... I paid 150 bucks for this camera - use the best tool

kentster · 12-16-2015, 02:36 PM

These were taken for comparison purposes.

VoiceOfReason · 12-16-2015, 02:58 PM

I will see if I can get any birds out there. I did stick some food out for them, they just need to find it again.I'll try both with and without the TC.

**Billy Joe** · 12-16-2015, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by kentster

These were taken for comparison purposes.

I get that they are for comparison purposes... but even the Kite on the wire shot would have been done better with a Point and Shoot long zoom. The only real advantage to a DSLR is for BIF's - anything less can be done better with a point and shoot, small sensor 1200ish zoom.

Just my opinion of course... but that kind of money and weight for those results makes no sense...

I could post more pics, but once you are through the looking glass, there is no reality left

**csa** · 12-16-2015, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Billy Joe

I get that they are for comparison purposes... but even the Kite on the wire shot would have been done better with a Point and Shoot long zoom. The only real advantage to a DSLR is for BIF's - anything less can be done better with a point and shoot, small sensor 1200ish zoom.

Just my opinion of course... but that kind of money and weight for those results makes no sense...

I could post more pics, but once you are through the looking glass, there is no reality left

Well, I disagree. I've had several Point & shoot long zooms, and while they are very good; I find my DSLR equipment to be better, much better. Again, it's what a person prefers; but to say a P&S would have done better with the kite on the wire is open to one's opinion.

**Billy Joe** · 12-16-2015, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by csa

Well, I disagree. I've had several Point & shoot long zooms, and while they are very good; I find my DSLR equipment to be better, much better. Again, it's what a person prefers; but to say a P&S would have done better with the kite on the wire is open to one's opinion.

Hi Carol... look at the hummingbird pic I posted above - the Sigma Bigma would have made a smeary/detail-less mess of that shot. I love my Pentax dslrs, but those big, long consumer zooms are weak. The proof of that is in the other shots posted in this thread. If you are shooting birds you are better off with a nice DA300... and a crop.

That shot of the bird on the wire in this thread would definitely have been tighter framed, and sharper with my little canon point and shoot... it is not an opinion, it is a fact.

Now if the question is, can you buy 5000 dollar lenses for birding and get amazing results... the answer is yes. But feeder / wire / limb shots should not be this difficult.

**csa** · 12-16-2015, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Billy Joe

the Sigma Bigma would have made a smeary/detail-less mess of that shot.

Again, I disagree. I've seen many, many outstanding images with the Bigma, and none with a "smeary/detail-less mess".

Have you used a Bigma?

normhead · 12-16-2015, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by bertwert

Depends how quickly the value of your car drops to sell and buy it.

Originally posted by csa

Well, I disagree. I've had several Point & shoot long zooms, and while they are very good; I find my DSLR equipment to be better, much better. Again, it's what a person prefers; but to say a P&S would have done better with the kite on the wire is open to one's opinion.

MY buddy sits in my blind with his canon 800 mm equivalent point and shoot, taking the same feeder birds I take, and his images are nothing like mine. That being said, there are some point and shoots we are considering...

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000 review - CNET

I suspect this camera would do everything I want in terms of feeder images. But, it's a larger sensor than most. 4 times the size of my buddy's.

Check this out.... this is a user submitted photo from that DPR place..
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000 at the equivalence of 600mm

**Billy Joe** · 12-16-2015, 05:48 PM

Oh come ya'all I am just pulling your chains... no point and shoot can deliver the goods like a DSLR with a +1000 dollar lens on it...

1200mm all the way across the pond... and that is an orange belly newt in the birds mouth. Now I know the K3/bigma would do way better than that. But this one costs 150 dollars

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Why can't we post these full size? You can count the toes on the newt

12-16-2015, 05:34 PM	#41
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by bertwert Depends how quickly the value of your car drops to sell and buy it. Originally posted by csa Well, I disagree. I've had several Point & shoot long zooms, and while they are very good; I find my DSLR equipment to be better, much better. Again, it's what a person prefers; but to say a P&S would have done better with the kite on the wire is open to one's opinion. MY buddy sits in my blind with his canon 800 mm equivalent point and shoot, taking the same feeder birds I take, and his images are nothing like mine. That being said, there are some point and shoots we are considering... Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000 review - CNET I suspect this camera would do everything I want in terms of feeder images. But, it's a larger sensor than most. 4 times the size of my buddy's. Check this out.... this is a user submitted photo from that DPR place.. Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000 at the equivalence of 600mm Last edited by normhead; 12-16-2015 at 06:08 PM.

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12-16-2015, 12:07 PM	#31
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	IN your position, you probably need to weed out the equipment you will no longer use because of the other equipment you've purchased. Unless you want to become an Adam or a Clinton. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

12-16-2015, 12:08 PM	#32
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	Originally posted by kentster I would love some input from ya on how it compares to your sigma. I have a 50-500 OS HSM. If it compares with the Tamron 150-600 with a 1.4 on it... I'd stick with Pentax I believe. I will do a few tests with it. Got any requests? I did do a comparison of it and a few other lenses just to show magnification here: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/309623-comp...100-300-a.html Of course that was just a quick and dirty. All but the Tamron were wide open (and the Tamron wasn't good in that test due to vibrations in the floor sicne I was walking around doing stuff). I can do much better tests. In fact I plan on doing an astrophotography test will all of those lenses next week from Nevada. ---------- Post added 12-16-15 at 02:09 PM ---------- Originally posted by normhead IN your position, you probably need to weed out the equipment you will no longer use because of the other equipment you've purchased. Unless you want to become an Adam or a Clinton. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I lack the FA250-600 and A1200 I definitely will be posting things for sale in January.

12-16-2015, 02:25 PM	#34
Billy Joe Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 374	My goodness if you are shooting birds siting on a wire or feeder, just get a long zoom P&S - you guys are talking crazy money for average shots.... I paid 150 bucks for this camera - use the best tool

12-16-2015, 02:36 PM	#35
kentster Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Bremerton, Washington Posts: 287 Original Poster	These were taken for comparison purposes.

12-16-2015, 02:58 PM	#36
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	I will see if I can get any birds out there. I did stick some food out for them, they just need to find it again.I'll try both with and without the TC.

12-16-2015, 03:31 PM	#37
Billy Joe Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 374	Originally posted by kentster These were taken for comparison purposes. I get that they are for comparison purposes... but even the Kite on the wire shot would have been done better with a Point and Shoot long zoom. The only real advantage to a DSLR is for BIF's - anything less can be done better with a point and shoot, small sensor 1200ish zoom. Just my opinion of course... but that kind of money and weight for those results makes no sense... I could post more pics, but once you are through the looking glass, there is no reality left

12-16-2015, 03:41 PM	#38
csa Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Montana mountains Posts: 10,133	Originally posted by Billy Joe I get that they are for comparison purposes... but even the Kite on the wire shot would have been done better with a Point and Shoot long zoom. The only real advantage to a DSLR is for BIF's - anything less can be done better with a point and shoot, small sensor 1200ish zoom. Just my opinion of course... but that kind of money and weight for those results makes no sense... I could post more pics, but once you are through the looking glass, there is no reality left Well, I disagree. I've had several Point & shoot long zooms, and while they are very good; I find my DSLR equipment to be better, much better. Again, it's what a person prefers; but to say a P&S would have done better with the kite on the wire is open to one's opinion.

12-16-2015, 05:27 PM	#39
Billy Joe Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 374	Originally posted by csa Well, I disagree. I've had several Point & shoot long zooms, and while they are very good; I find my DSLR equipment to be better, much better. Again, it's what a person prefers; but to say a P&S would have done better with the kite on the wire is open to one's opinion. Hi Carol... look at the hummingbird pic I posted above - the Sigma Bigma would have made a smeary/detail-less mess of that shot. I love my Pentax dslrs, but those big, long consumer zooms are weak. The proof of that is in the other shots posted in this thread. If you are shooting birds you are better off with a nice DA300... and a crop. That shot of the bird on the wire in this thread would definitely have been tighter framed, and sharper with my little canon point and shoot... it is not an opinion, it is a fact. Now if the question is, can you buy 5000 dollar lenses for birding and get amazing results... the answer is yes. But feeder / wire / limb shots should not be this difficult.

12-16-2015, 05:32 PM	#40
csa Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Montana mountains Posts: 10,133	Originally posted by Billy Joe the Sigma Bigma would have made a smeary/detail-less mess of that shot. Again, I disagree. I've seen many, many outstanding images with the Bigma, and none with a "smeary/detail-less mess". Have you used a Bigma?

12-16-2015, 05:48 PM	#42
Billy Joe Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 374	Oh come ya'all I am just pulling your chains... no point and shoot can deliver the goods like a DSLR with a +1000 dollar lens on it... 1200mm all the way across the pond... and that is an orange belly newt in the birds mouth. Now I know the K3/bigma would do way better than that. But this one costs 150 dollars ---------- Post added 12-16-15 at 04:51 PM ---------- Why can't we post these full size? You can count the toes on the newt