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05-12-2016, 06:47 PM   #1
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Press Photographer attacked in So California

My nephew is a photographer for a news outfit in the high desert here in So California and he was attacked this week by some folks who didn't want their picture taken.
He has was kicked and beaten and he is pretty bruised up but it looks like there are no broken bones so we are hopeful for a speedy recovery.
Here is the story Daily Press photographer attacked at Hesperia Lake on Tuesday - News - VVdailypress.com - Victorville, CA

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Why wouldn't he just respect her wishes and delete the photos of her?

Just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean you always should.
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Mongrels!

However, as a photographer, he'd have known that "deleting" them wouldn't have really deleted them.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bakerking31 Quote
Just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean you always should.
True. But that's no excuse to call in thugs to beat up the photo-journalist for taking the photo.

Plus he was doing his job, and was polite and civil.

In similar cases that have come up in local media, people who have been 'outraged' in social media that their family/kids/pets etc have been photographed while out at some public event by a newspaper or other photographer, have within days been very happy to order enlargements of those same images via the newspaper or photographer's web site.

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wow, sorry this happened. how would they even know if the picture was actually deleted? for all they know he could have just pushed a few buttons and told them it was deleted. hopefully he can recover the camera and get the card with their picture on it so they can be charged.

edited to add: I am not saying he should have pretended to delete them, but that they probably would have beaten him up even if he did delete them, because they would have demanded the card or camera as proof he actually did it. I doubt they would have just walked away, and that's the big issue.

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It was a public place. There is no expectation of privacy. That's what the US Supreme Court uses as criteria.

Photos should be able to be recovered even if the devices where immersed in water.
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That is insane. The idiocy of people these days. What did this goons think they accomplished?

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That is insane. The idiocy of people these days. What did this goons think they accomplished?
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Infuriating is too callous a word...
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QuoteOriginally posted by bakerking31 Quote
Why wouldn't he just respect her wishes and delete the photos of her?

Just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean you always should.
Your post has offended me. Please delete it.

Who decides?
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Who decides?
Who decides what?

I think the subject should decide if they want to be photographed.

In this case the photographer didn't get a release signed so the photo is useless to him as a professional which ostensibly is why he was there, so I don't see why he wouldn't delete the photo and move on if that's why he was there.
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These days, who knows how folks are going to react. It's just too bad - and I hope your cousin does get better. He is lucky that his injuries were not worse.

On the other hand, the Police should be able to ID the woman pretty easily, with a bit of work. By using the time stamps on the camera they can probably narrow down to a 10 minute window to when she used her cell phone. Also, based on where she was in proximity to the cell tower, they could probably filter it down to (I am guessing), something less than a hundred phone calls. Some basic Police work and with the image of the lady, they could get her name.

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QuoteOriginally posted by bakerking31 Quote
Who decides what?

I think the subject should decide if they want to be photographed.

In this case the photographer didn't get a release signed so the photo is useless to him as a professional which ostensibly is why he was there, so I don't see why he wouldn't delete the photo and move on if that's why he was there.
Except that's not the law - public place = your picture is up for grabs. Also this person was on an assignment and it isn't clear that this gear may not belong to the paper - and the images he takes as well. It may not be his prerogative to delete them. Photography and The Law: Know Your Rights | Photojojo
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QuoteOriginally posted by UncleVanya Quote
Except that's not the law - public place = your picture is up for grabs. Also this person was on an assignment and it isn't clear that this gear may not belong to the paper - and the images he takes as well. It may not be his prerogative to delete them. Photography and The Law: Know Your Rights | Photojojo
Slavery was once the law, does that mean it was ethical?

My point isnt to equate photographing people who don't want to be photographed with slavery, but to highlight that while something may be legal it may not be ethical. What is ethical to you may not be ethical to me. Some people are bound to react to things they feel are an invasion of their privacy.


You mention the paper he works for. Without a signed release these photos would be useless to the paper. I am sure the paper would be fine with deleting useless photos over bad press and annoying the public.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bakerking31 Quote
Slavery was once the law, does that mean it was ethical?

My point isnt to equate photographing people who don't want to be photographed with slavery, but to highlight that while something may be legal it may not be ethical. What is ethical to you may not be ethical to me. Some people are bound to react to things they feel are an invasion of their privacy.


You mention the paper he works for. Without a signed release these photos would be useless to the paper. I am sure the paper would be fine with deleting useless photos over bad press and annoying the public.
You only need releases for commercial work. News is exempted from the need to get a release. Imagine trying to get a bank robber to release on a security camera image for the 5 o'clock news.
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Then why did he approach the woman for a release? I don't know his exact purpose for it but it sounds like commercial work for the paper not journalism work
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