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normhead · 07-13-2016, 10:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pathdoc

To say nothing of what happened at the Toronto Pride Parade this year.

Unfortunately as one who understands he workings of Black Lives Matter in Toronto, totally predictable.

The old civil rights movement was about instigating a beating (for yourself) or whatever was dished out to bring attention to your cause. The new crowd are more about finding ways to protest that don't bring themselves any negative consequences. Interrupting a gay pride parade makes you look like cowards, not heroes.

Real heroes, be they police or armed forces heroes or civil rights movement heroes, put themselves in harms way for the betterment of their country. I don't see any civil right's heroes these days.

I could say a lot more, but that's enough.

**Kerrowdown** · 07-13-2016, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by wildman

There still is a place for real photojournalist capturing that decisive moment

I certainly hope so, otherwise I know quite a few folk that will be redundant...

normhead · 07-13-2016, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Kerrowdown

I certainly hope so, otherwise I know quite a few folk that will be redundant...

Is there something about you we should know? --
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wildman · 07-14-2016, 02:10 AM

I think it stands up pretty well as a "iconic" photo. A clear metaphor for the struggle between good and evil.
-Princess Leia firmly standing up to the forces of the dark side and that sort of thing.
If it has any weakness it's the Darth Vader appearance of the cops that make them look fearful, incompetent and absurd rather than menacing.

But overall it works as an icon. After all the purpose of an icon is to tell you what to think not how.

Last edited by wildman; 07-14-2016 at 04:29 AM.

**Rondec** · 07-14-2016, 02:25 AM

Proof, I suppose, that the days of still photography are numbered. Just send videographers out and then snag a couple of frames from what they shot. Who needs photographers anyway?

wildman · 07-14-2016, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Proof, I suppose, that the days of still photography are numbered. Just send videographers out and then snag a couple of frames from what they shot. Who needs photographers anyway?

It's a open question. I really don't know if the original shot was a still or a video. I just happened to take it off a readily available video file on Utube.
But your point is well taken. I can see the day when cameras will be able to deliver the quality of a FF at the frame rate of video - no need for a burst mode.

In any case much of the most important visual reporting done now is done by ordinary citizens with a cell phone who just happens to be on the spot and I'm glad for it.
This pro was there because it was a well known scheduled event and most breaking news just doesn't happen that conveniently.

**Rondec** · 07-14-2016, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by wildman

It's a open question. I really don't know if the original shot was a still or a video. I just happened to take it off a readily available video file on Utube.
But your point is well taken. I can see the day when cameras will be able to deliver the quality of a FF at the frame rate of video - no need for a burst mode.

In any case much of the most important visual reporting done now is done by ordinary citizens with a cell phone who just happens to be on the spot and I'm glad for it.
This pro was there because it was a well known scheduled event and most breaking news just doesn't happen that conveniently.

It just seems your title is completely contradicted by your image. A frame capture of a 4K video will by 8 megapixels -- quite enough for most purposes. The reality is that there is no place for photo journalists in a world in which stealing a frame from a video stream is adequate and cheaper than employing a dedicated still photographer to try to capture such images.

pathdoc · 07-14-2016, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

A frame capture of a 4K video will be 8 megapixels -- quite enough for most purposes.

This was my thought exactly. The limiting factor for frame capture quality is the (effective) shutter speed at which it was shot, and whether this is fast enough to freeze motion blur in the subject.

wildman · 07-14-2016, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

It just seems your title is completely contradicted by your image.

I don't disagree - perhaps a better title would have been "What makes an 'iconic' image?". That's, perhaps, what was really on my mind at the time of posting.

BTW does anyone know, in fact, if the original image was a still or a video? I've looked but can't tell for sure one way or the other.

mnaah · 07-14-2016, 05:30 AM

i'm fairly certain that the original image was a still, can't remember where though -> I think because I haven't seen the image moving in any of its reporting

**pepperberry farm** · 07-14-2016, 07:25 AM

I'm still waiting for the photographer to get credit for your posting of his image....

normhead · 07-14-2016, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

I'm still waiting for the photographer to get credit for your posting of his image....

Maybe he should have put his name in the corner like I do. I've had images posted all over the web, with my name and website on them, one series receiving over 7 million hits, without receiving a single inquiry or comment. So I'm not sure how much the credit is worth. It's just a formality these days. Left over from a time when images weren't cheap or free, and available everywhere.

**pepperberry farm** · 07-14-2016, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Maybe he should have put his name in the corner like I do. I've had images posted all over the web, with my name and website on them, one series receiving over 7 million hits, without receiving a single inquiry or comment. So I'm not sure how much the credit is worth. It's just a formality these days. Left over from a time when images weren't cheap or free, and available everywhere.

agreed - my concern is that this is a photography forum, with all of us (in one form or another) as photographers: we should be giving each other credit when we post someone else's work that is not our own - I'm not looking at copyright or anything else in a legal fashion, just as a common courtesy...

ChristianRock · 07-14-2016, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by normhead

Maybe he should have put his name in the corner like I do..

I think this was a picture sold to newspapers and magazines, so I don't think that is what they do in these cases.

Usually the photographer is credited in text, sometimes follows by the words "Used by Permission"...

**pepperberry farm** · 07-14-2016, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

I think this was a picture sold to newspapers and magazines, so I don't think that is what they do in these cases.

Usually the photographer is credited in text, sometimes follows by the words "Used by Permission"...

bingo...

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07-13-2016, 10:27 AM - 1 Like	#16
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by pathdoc To say nothing of what happened at the Toronto Pride Parade this year. Unfortunately as one who understands he workings of Black Lives Matter in Toronto, totally predictable. The old civil rights movement was about instigating a beating (for yourself) or whatever was dished out to bring attention to your cause. The new crowd are more about finding ways to protest that don't bring themselves any negative consequences. Interrupting a gay pride parade makes you look like cowards, not heroes. Real heroes, be they police or armed forces heroes or civil rights movement heroes, put themselves in harms way for the betterment of their country. I don't see any civil right's heroes these days. I could say a lot more, but that's enough.

07-13-2016, 12:35 PM	#17
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,867	Originally posted by wildman There still is a place for real photojournalist capturing that decisive moment I certainly hope so, otherwise I know quite a few folk that will be redundant...

07-13-2016, 01:07 PM	#18
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Kerrowdown I certainly hope so, otherwise I know quite a few folk that will be redundant... Is there something about you we should know? -- -----------

07-14-2016, 02:10 AM	#19
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469 Original Poster	I think it stands up pretty well as a "iconic" photo. A clear metaphor for the struggle between good and evil. -Princess Leia firmly standing up to the forces of the dark side and that sort of thing. If it has any weakness it's the Darth Vader appearance of the cops that make them look fearful, incompetent and absurd rather than menacing. But overall it works as an icon. After all the purpose of an icon is to tell you what to think not how. Last edited by wildman; 07-14-2016 at 04:29 AM.

07-14-2016, 02:25 AM	#20
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,666	Proof, I suppose, that the days of still photography are numbered. Just send videographers out and then snag a couple of frames from what they shot. Who needs photographers anyway?

07-14-2016, 03:24 AM	#21
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rondec Proof, I suppose, that the days of still photography are numbered. Just send videographers out and then snag a couple of frames from what they shot. Who needs photographers anyway? It's a open question. I really don't know if the original shot was a still or a video. I just happened to take it off a readily available video file on Utube. But your point is well taken. I can see the day when cameras will be able to deliver the quality of a FF at the frame rate of video - no need for a burst mode. In any case much of the most important visual reporting done now is done by ordinary citizens with a cell phone who just happens to be on the spot and I'm glad for it. This pro was there because it was a well known scheduled event and most breaking news just doesn't happen that conveniently.

07-14-2016, 03:32 AM	#22
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,666	Originally posted by wildman It's a open question. I really don't know if the original shot was a still or a video. I just happened to take it off a readily available video file on Utube. But your point is well taken. I can see the day when cameras will be able to deliver the quality of a FF at the frame rate of video - no need for a burst mode. In any case much of the most important visual reporting done now is done by ordinary citizens with a cell phone who just happens to be on the spot and I'm glad for it. This pro was there because it was a well known scheduled event and most breaking news just doesn't happen that conveniently. It just seems your title is completely contradicted by your image. A frame capture of a 4K video will by 8 megapixels -- quite enough for most purposes. The reality is that there is no place for photo journalists in a world in which stealing a frame from a video stream is adequate and cheaper than employing a dedicated still photographer to try to capture such images.

07-14-2016, 03:41 AM	#23
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Rondec A frame capture of a 4K video will be 8 megapixels -- quite enough for most purposes. This was my thought exactly. The limiting factor for frame capture quality is the (effective) shutter speed at which it was shot, and whether this is fast enough to freeze motion blur in the subject.

07-14-2016, 05:02 AM	#24
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rondec It just seems your title is completely contradicted by your image. I don't disagree - perhaps a better title would have been "What makes an 'iconic' image?". That's, perhaps, what was really on my mind at the time of posting. BTW does anyone know, in fact, if the original image was a still or a video? I've looked but can't tell for sure one way or the other.

07-14-2016, 05:30 AM	#25
mnaah Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 35	i'm fairly certain that the original image was a still, can't remember where though -> I think because I haven't seen the image moving in any of its reporting

07-14-2016, 07:25 AM	#26
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,781	I'm still waiting for the photographer to get credit for your posting of his image....

07-14-2016, 07:30 AM	#27
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by pepperberry farm I'm still waiting for the photographer to get credit for your posting of his image.... Maybe he should have put his name in the corner like I do. I've had images posted all over the web, with my name and website on them, one series receiving over 7 million hits, without receiving a single inquiry or comment. So I'm not sure how much the credit is worth. It's just a formality these days. Left over from a time when images weren't cheap or free, and available everywhere.

07-14-2016, 07:57 AM	#28
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,781	Originally posted by normhead Maybe he should have put his name in the corner like I do. I've had images posted all over the web, with my name and website on them, one series receiving over 7 million hits, without receiving a single inquiry or comment. So I'm not sure how much the credit is worth. It's just a formality these days. Left over from a time when images weren't cheap or free, and available everywhere. agreed - my concern is that this is a photography forum, with all of us (in one form or another) as photographers: we should be giving each other credit when we post someone else's work that is not our own - I'm not looking at copyright or anything else in a legal fashion, just as a common courtesy...

07-14-2016, 01:23 PM	#29
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,912	Originally posted by normhead Maybe he should have put his name in the corner like I do.. I think this was a picture sold to newspapers and magazines, so I don't think that is what they do in these cases. Usually the photographer is credited in text, sometimes follows by the words "Used by Permission"...

07-14-2016, 01:31 PM	#30
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,781	Originally posted by ChristianRock I think this was a picture sold to newspapers and magazines, so I don't think that is what they do in these cases. Usually the photographer is credited in text, sometimes follows by the words "Used by Permission"... bingo...