There still is a place for real photojournalist capturing that decisive moment

wildman · 07-13-2016, 05:40 AM

Frame capture touched up a bit in Photoshop.
Standing her ground....

Last edited by wildman; 07-28-2016 at 07:16 AM.

Wosp · 07-13-2016, 06:11 AM

Nice Catch, some heavy gear on those guys (robocop?)
Suits best in BW i think, good job =)

**pepperberry farm** · 07-13-2016, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by wildman

Frame capture touched up a bit in Photoshop.
Standing her ground....

your shot?

mnj11 · 07-13-2016, 06:29 AM

This is your shot ?! I think i have seen this in many other places. Great shot.

wildman · 07-13-2016, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

your shot?

No. It's gone viral. This is just a single frame I got off of a Utube mp4 video file. Just thought it deserved some TLC with PS.
See -
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/11/baton-rouge-protester-photo-iesha-evans

DeadJohn · 07-13-2016, 07:41 AM

The OP wrote "Frame capture" so I don't think it's their photo.

mnaah · 07-13-2016, 07:41 AM

*sigh*

You Tube

DeadJohn · 07-13-2016, 07:44 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by wildman

No. It's gone viral. This is just a single frame I got off of a Utube mp4 video file. Just thought it deserved some TLC with PS.
See -
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/11/baton-rouge-protester-photo-iesha-evans

If some website edited and reposted one of your own photos without crediting you, would you like that? We've had lots of copyright discussion here on PF and I'm curious how others feel about it.

victormeldrew · 07-13-2016, 07:58 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by wildman

Still a place for photojournalism

Definitely. Go do some... It's a whole lot trickier than it seems, and so you would be extremely proud of any photos you took yourself of a perfect moment such as that. You would also be pretty pissed off at people reproducing it without permission.

**pepperberry farm** · 07-13-2016, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

If some website edited and reposted one of your own photos without crediting you, would you like that? We've had lots of copyright discussion here on PF and I'm curious how others feel about it.

Originally posted by victormeldrew

Definitely. Go do some... It's a whole lot trickier than it seems, and so you would be extremely proud of any photos you took yourself of a perfect moment such as that. You would also be pretty pissed off at people reproducing it without permission.

which is why I asked - the OP was vague enough but did not state that he had simply grabbed an image off the web, processed himself, then posted it here for our consumption...

the term "frame capture" does not imply anything about ownership...

wildman · 07-13-2016, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

f some website edited and riposted one of your own photos without crediting you, would you like that?

I would be totally indifferent. So far as I am concerned any photo of mine that I willingly post on the internet is in the public domain.

But my intention was not to mislead. I just assumed, being a photography forum, most folks would recognize it for what it is - apparently not.
I have no interest in a long sterile discussion of property rights. But an aesthetic discussion of why the photo does or does not work would be interesting.

mnaah,
BTW thanks for the link - interesting.

mnaah · 07-13-2016, 08:51 AM - **1 Like**

no worries wildman

i have no doubts that you weren't out to deceive, but this being the internet, everyone jumps to conclusions about everything, including motives...

about the aesthetics then. my first reaction was that it appears almost staged. yes, it is very powerful--it shows something of the state of the US at this time, whatever public figures say in speeches about unity. this is a double edge sword for me. i think the best of photography takes something people are familiar with and gives a new perspective, whether that's through stopping motion, blurring motion, changing angles, etc. and this definitely does this. and yet, something still feels not quite right...

perhaps it's just my aussie cynicism though

normhead · 07-13-2016, 08:56 AM - **2 Likes**

I'm not sure how you discuss the importance of a photo like this without contrasting the times.

When I was kid during the time of the civil rights movement, a scene where protesters blocked a highway would've lead to broken heads and busloads of arrested people. It's hard not to think we've become a lot more civilized.

In that sense this is an iconic photograph, in that it symbolizes a lot of progress. So in that sense it almost represents the progress brought about during the civil rights movement. However, the armour worn by the State Troopers, also symbolizes that some of the points of the original civil rights leaders, having to do with not attacking police officers etc. have fallen by the wayside. It was a critical point of the early civl rights leaders, that the police were not the enemy. They enforced unfair rules, but that was thier job. You changed the rules, not attack the police. The armour worn by the police is a clear symbol of how much more dangerous the lives of ordinary police officers have become. That would be clearly contrary to the wishes of MLK and the leaders of the 1950-1964 civil rights movement. There's a lot of symbolism in that photo. It's not just to do with authoritarianism against freedom.

victormeldrew · 07-13-2016, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by mnaah

my first reaction was that it appears almost staged.

In a way it very much is. I am sure she was fully intending to create a scene reminiscent of so many similar images from past protests...tank boy at Tiananmen Square...flower in the tank barrel an so on. It is staged in that those cultural cues are in her head when she decided to stand in front of those ranks of robocops.

On a personal level, it must be sad to find yourself living in a society where the police monitoring a popular protest need to look like that.

Aesthetically though, the photo is what it is...a classic 'F8 and be there' shot where being in that place at that moment is all that matters. The processing is classic Time Magazine photojournalism style, but I think the colour process suited it better in this case.

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pathdoc · 07-13-2016, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by normhead

That would be clearly contrary to the wishes of MLK and the leaders of the 1950-1964 civil rights movement.

To say nothing of what happened at the Toronto Pride Parade this year.

Originally posted by mnaah

my first reaction was that it appears almost staged.

Agree completely.

Originally posted by victormeldrew

In a way it very much is. I am sure she was fully intending to create a scene reminiscent of so many similar images from past protests..

And with this.

07-13-2016, 05:40 AM	#1
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469	There still is a place for real photojournalist capturing that decisive moment Frame capture touched up a bit in Photoshop. Standing her ground.... Last edited by wildman; 07-28-2016 at 07:16 AM.

07-13-2016, 08:22 AM	#11
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469 Original Poster	Originally posted by DeadJohn f some website edited and riposted one of your own photos without crediting you, would you like that? I would be totally indifferent. So far as I am concerned any photo of mine that I willingly post on the internet is in the public domain. But my intention was not to mislead. I just assumed, being a photography forum, most folks would recognize it for what it is - apparently not. I have no interest in a long sterile discussion of property rights. But an aesthetic discussion of why the photo does or does not work would be interesting. mnaah, BTW thanks for the link - interesting. Last edited by wildman; 07-13-2016 at 08:41 AM.

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07-13-2016, 06:11 AM	#2
Wosp New Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 21	Nice Catch, some heavy gear on those guys (robocop?) Suits best in BW i think, good job =)

07-13-2016, 06:16 AM	#3
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,679	Originally posted by wildman Frame capture touched up a bit in Photoshop. Standing her ground.... your shot?

07-13-2016, 06:29 AM	#4
mnj11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 298	This is your shot ?! I think i have seen this in many other places. Great shot.

07-13-2016, 07:38 AM	#5
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469 Original Poster	Originally posted by pepperberry farm your shot? No. It's gone viral. This is just a single frame I got off of a Utube mp4 video file. Just thought it deserved some TLC with PS. See - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/11/baton-rouge-protester-photo-iesha-evans

07-13-2016, 07:41 AM	#6
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	The OP wrote "Frame capture" so I don't think it's their photo.

07-13-2016, 07:44 AM - 1 Like	#8
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	Originally posted by wildman No. It's gone viral. This is just a single frame I got off of a Utube mp4 video file. Just thought it deserved some TLC with PS. See - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/11/baton-rouge-protester-photo-iesha-evans If some website edited and reposted one of your own photos without crediting you, would you like that? We've had lots of copyright discussion here on PF and I'm curious how others feel about it.

07-13-2016, 07:58 AM - 1 Like	#9
victormeldrew Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: South West UK Photos: Albums Posts: 1,493	Originally posted by wildman Still a place for photojournalism Definitely. Go do some... It's a whole lot trickier than it seems, and so you would be extremely proud of any photos you took yourself of a perfect moment such as that. You would also be pretty pissed off at people reproducing it without permission.

07-13-2016, 08:03 AM	#10
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,679	Originally posted by DeadJohn If some website edited and reposted one of your own photos without crediting you, would you like that? We've had lots of copyright discussion here on PF and I'm curious how others feel about it. Originally posted by victormeldrew Definitely. Go do some... It's a whole lot trickier than it seems, and so you would be extremely proud of any photos you took yourself of a perfect moment such as that. You would also be pretty pissed off at people reproducing it without permission. which is why I asked - the OP was vague enough but did not state that he had simply grabbed an image off the web, processed himself, then posted it here for our consumption... the term "frame capture" does not imply anything about ownership...

07-13-2016, 08:51 AM - 1 Like	#12
mnaah Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 35	no worries wildman i have no doubts that you weren't out to deceive, but this being the internet, everyone jumps to conclusions about everything, including motives... about the aesthetics then. my first reaction was that it appears almost staged. yes, it is very powerful--it shows something of the state of the US at this time, whatever public figures say in speeches about unity. this is a double edge sword for me. i think the best of photography takes something people are familiar with and gives a new perspective, whether that's through stopping motion, blurring motion, changing angles, etc. and this definitely does this. and yet, something still feels not quite right... perhaps it's just my aussie cynicism though

07-13-2016, 08:56 AM - 2 Likes	#13
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	I'm not sure how you discuss the importance of a photo like this without contrasting the times. When I was kid during the time of the civil rights movement, a scene where protesters blocked a highway would've lead to broken heads and busloads of arrested people. It's hard not to think we've become a lot more civilized. In that sense this is an iconic photograph, in that it symbolizes a lot of progress. So in that sense it almost represents the progress brought about during the civil rights movement. However, the armour worn by the State Troopers, also symbolizes that some of the points of the original civil rights leaders, having to do with not attacking police officers etc. have fallen by the wayside. It was a critical point of the early civl rights leaders, that the police were not the enemy. They enforced unfair rules, but that was thier job. You changed the rules, not attack the police. The armour worn by the police is a clear symbol of how much more dangerous the lives of ordinary police officers have become. That would be clearly contrary to the wishes of MLK and the leaders of the 1950-1964 civil rights movement. There's a lot of symbolism in that photo. It's not just to do with authoritarianism against freedom.

07-13-2016, 09:41 AM	#14
victormeldrew Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: South West UK Photos: Albums Posts: 1,493	Originally posted by mnaah my first reaction was that it appears almost staged. In a way it very much is. I am sure she was fully intending to create a scene reminiscent of so many similar images from past protests...tank boy at Tiananmen Square...flower in the tank barrel an so on. It is staged in that those cultural cues are in her head when she decided to stand in front of those ranks of robocops. On a personal level, it must be sad to find yourself living in a society where the police monitoring a popular protest need to look like that. Aesthetically though, the photo is what it is...a classic 'F8 and be there' shot where being in that place at that moment is all that matters. The processing is classic Time Magazine photojournalism style, but I think the colour process suited it better in this case. Save

07-13-2016, 09:51 AM	#15
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by normhead That would be clearly contrary to the wishes of MLK and the leaders of the 1950-1964 civil rights movement. To say nothing of what happened at the Toronto Pride Parade this year. Originally posted by mnaah my first reaction was that it appears almost staged. Agree completely. Originally posted by victormeldrew In a way it very much is. I am sure she was fully intending to create a scene reminiscent of so many similar images from past protests.. And with this.