Originally posted by Schraubstock This is not your brightest retort, normhead.
This is ridiculous. You're basing your whole point by limiting the definition of reach to the ability of the lens. Effectively, reach can also refer to magnification at the same distance. What we mean by reach is that using a 24 MP FF camera and a 24 MP APS-c camera, the APS-c camera will give you more magnification, and therefore more apparent reach. The point is compared to a 450mm lens on FF, you can get the same image using a 300mm lens on the APS-c. SO interns of IQ, images size etc. 300mm APS_c gives you the same "reach" as 450 FF. Since each is hardly a scientific term I fail to see how this would be a misuse of the the terminology. However I can see how claiming an APS-c camera and FF camera have the same reach with the same lens, might be a logical argument for film era cameras, in digital it's just misleading.
What exactly is your problem with defining reach in this way?
If it were an exact scientific term I could see it, but you're getting semantical about the vernacular, and that's just silly. The vernacular changes faster than you can blink.
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Originally posted by Ian Stuart Forsyth For pixels that are 2 times smaller that lens needs to resolve more to record the same level of resolution as a pixel that is 2 times larger.
Any good quality lens does resolve more than needed for an APS-c sensor, that's why you can increase your subject resolution with a 1.4 of 1.7 TC. There's that much untapped resolution in any DA* lens, Limited or comparable lens... . The point that is escaping you is that it's not a matter of need, it's a matter of many lenses already doing that.
The fact that many use high resolution lenses that out resolve their sensors by a huge degree, means with smaller pixels you are using the resolution of the lens more efficiently. Using too large a pixel as in many 18-24 FF action cameras, the extra resolution of FF lenses is simply wasted due to the large pixel sites.
---------- Post added 05-22-17 at 07:03 PM ----------
Originally posted by bm75 The camera used for the test by Photozone.de are both apcs. The results of the test are obvious: the pixel density of a 10 mpx camera is inferior to that of the 16 mpx camera. That's math. Obviously , given the same composition with both the cameras and given the same lens on both, you'll find more detail with the 16 mpx camera. That's OBVIOUS : more pixel can resolve more detail, given the same composition. It's like a mosaic: the smaller the pieces, the more the detail you can achieve. I repeat: given the mpx count, given a composition, pixels are just pixels, on FF and APSC . A mosaic of 24 000 000 of pieces is simply that. differences in detail can be visible due to other causes: lack of LP filter, for example, or a different image processing by the camera engine.
When you downsample images to a lower resolution, the effect is that of a sharpening just at low magnification, but actually you loose high magnification possibility. All depends on the magnification of the output device.
Don't be disappointed if Ian doesn't get this, I've been trying to get through to him for years. it's just not in his mindset.