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01-26-2018, 09:26 AM   #61
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No, we just rely on the clarity slider less.

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The only thing I found Apple laptops being better is regarding their screens. I'm running a training company and we have 185 HP laptops which are spreaded all over the country and they are used for IT trainings. Just 5 of them failed in almost 3 years since I bought them. And those laptops are being used a lot. We also have around 13-15 Mac Book Pro 15" laptops at office, but we have different problems with them and except their screens which are very good, I wouln't consider Apple laptops being superior or more fiable than Windows laptops on the long term.
Once you know enough about IT equipment (and that threshold is *very* low) to realize that Windows/Microsoft is an operating system (except more recently for a limited selection of Surface laptops) and not a brand of computer, and that a computer made by Apple and a computer made by anyone else contain exactly the same innards made by none of those companies but instead by Intel, AMD, and Nvidia... you realize that statements like "Apple hardware is more reliable" and "Apple builds better computers" are comical, fundamental misunderstandings of people that know very little about IT equipment.

As you pointed out, the one thing Apple does actually make are their screens, which are excellent. That's a legitimate reason to choose an Apple laptop over many other brands, unlike "the hardware is better".

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Well, my laptop has a Windows sticker on it, so I assume it was handmade by Bill Gates.

What I'm really wondering though, is if I upgrade to a Macbook (are they still handmade by Steve Jobs?) will it have a better webcam? I'm interested in photographing flying monkeys in moonlit scenes, which has the better camera? Does Sony make a mirrorless laptop I should be looking at? It's all so confusing.

PS. on a note tenuously related to the OP, I highly recommend putting 'webcam' into flickr's search box. For best results, be logged in and have safe search set to "Off". No, you don't get porn, you get something more disturbing and also confusing.
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And to further derail the thread...

This argument of "value" is very subjective and relative. And in my experience, Macs start off on the same footing with pcs, but as time winds on, the systems value is offset by obsolescence and repair costs*. Try as you might, entropy always gets ahead of you. I work strictly with PCs in my studio**, I know how to manage them, fix them and work with various operating systems. I design and build my own systems - when you buy an apple you have next to no choice at all at what components it will have, you cant improve system cooling if you want, you can't overhaul the motherboard if you need to upgrade the CPU or RAM or make use of up-to date I/O capabilities.

From what I understand IBM has been having financial problems over the years. If they are changing to macs I would resolve as follows: Macs= fewer variables in hardware/software. Fewer problems ergo: lower support costs, which looks good to shareholders. Which makes it fundamentally: a marketing decision.

*Apple is notorious for using proprietary hardware/software that locks you into their system. If your mac is over two years old you're better off replacing it entirely than repair it. Personally I find PCs easier to fix and maintain [If quality components are used] and the ones I design have been ticking for 3~5 years and gone through at most, two upgrade cycles. Whether you are working with an apple system or a windows PC: you're still in a straitjacket, albeit the windows platform has fewer buckles on it.

** I have worked with macs in the past, in my early days when I really didn't have a choice.They got the job done, in an obtusely dull way.
I've had no trouble upgrading my Macs' RAM, storage, graphic cards, and even CPUs over the years although I can see how it's gotten harder with recent iMacs (we only have Mac Pros and Mac Book Pros here). Apple has used non-proprietary stuff for like a couple of decades, now.

I'd imagine that with your hourly labor rate, each PC you build is thousands of dollars more expensive than the corresponding Mac. But if you enjoy that sort of thing, then your labor is "free". Me, I'm more like normhead in wanting a computer that simply works until maybe 4-6 years later there's a compelling reason to replace the machine with a much better model.

To each his own.
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My father's favourite piece of research was done testing beer drinkers. 5 beer drinkers in room, each one claiming he liked his own beer and not the others. These were the top selling brands in the country at the time. IN fact in blind tests, they couldn't pick out their "favourite." Then the classic internet part started, even though it was before the internet. Rather than admit, they couldn't tell the difference, they blamed the researchers and accused them of trying to trick them, by putting their beer in another company's bottles.
you know, I can't tell the difference between cherry coke and Dr.Pepper? They taste exactly the same to me.

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But if you enjoy that sort of thing, then your labor is "free".
I very much enjoy building my own systems. If only the parts were free

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Me, I'm more like normhead in wanting a computer that simply works until maybe 4-6 years later there's a compelling reason to replace the machine with a much better model.
Fair enough, not everyone needs to play the upgrade game - in which case there is never a system good enough to last 4~6 years.

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To bring the thread back to center, consider the photos at this link...

Mystery Camera/lens combo #1

and those at this link...

Mystery Camera/lens combo #2

...kindly ignore the URL and search box clues. Notice the number of returned photos for each. Scroll down deep for both links. Now take a quick tour through the photos at Link #1 (start at the top and simply mouse over to display the title and photog) and note how many were from the same photographer and erase those from your memory. Do the same for list #2.


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