Originally posted by Fenwoodian .
Last month I visited my brother in Phoenix Arizona USA. We went on many nature hikes. As usual, I brought along a camera, and my brother (who also loves to photograph) brought along his camera.
On this trip I took my new Panasonic micro 4/3rds camera and a couple lenses (20mm, 90mm). My brother shot his smartphone, the latest offering from Samsung.
To my surprise, he got more keeper images than I did, and his best images were better than my best images were!
Unless you've done a side-by-side shoot against the
latest smart phone cameras from iPhone/Google/Samsung, you have no idea how far their built in cameras have evolved. I've got an iPhone 6, and it's images are a far cry from those now produced by the iPhone 10 XS!
Check out this article where a professional printer talks about how the latest smartphone cameras are making image files that produce surprisingly good 30-inch by 40-inch prints. Also, the latest smart phones have great HDR and Panoramic capabilities, and have larger 12MP sensors that produce RAW files that can be editied in Lightroom mobile.
The gap is narrowing between smartphone images and big camera images.
Me, I intend to keep shooting my Pentax K-1's because I'm a bokeholic and love the DOF and 3D-pop I get from shooting fast lenses wide open on a full frame sensor.
Have you ever shot one of the latest smartphones? How does it's images compare with images from your big camera? What makes a big camera's images better than images from one of the latest smartphones?
This discussion comes up daily on DPR. They always turn out to be troll threads. Just sayin’.
I bought a Huawei P20 Pro last year, which, at the time, had the best camera in a cell phone. It has been surpassed this year by the Huawei P30 Pro. These things are evolving the same way DSLRs were 15 years ago.
You Americans don’t know what you are missing if you think the cameras in iPhone/Google/Samsung are the best there is. They are just the best you can get.
Huawei teamed up with Leica for their cell phone cameras. It makes one wonder how long it will be before you poor sods have to pay a 25% tariff to get Leica cameras, but I digress.
The stuff I get from my Huawei cell phone is excellent for a cell phone, substantially better than what is being produced by Apple/Google/Samsung. Some of it is the camera quality, some of it is the AI that the processor is using, but that quality is not in the same league as a 35mm DSLR and good lens such as the K1 and one of the newer D FA lenses.
Simply put, there is no replacement for real estate. Bigger sensors give a better image. Its a simple equation. AI can only do so much.
What is happening is that cell phones are picking off the low hanging fruit in the camera industry. They did away with P&S cameras a few years ago, and now that we are seeing genuine zoom lenses in them rather than the AI enhanced zooming that is done with multiple single focal length cameras (the Huawei P30 Pro has a real zoom lens), I expect small sensor bridge cameras to be next on the block.
Cell phone cameras are getting substantially better. Never is too big a word to use in relation to when they will get to the point they can outdo a full size DSLR, but the headstone for bridge cameras is on it’s way to the graveyard, and I don’t expect M43 will be around much longer. Cell phones don’t have to get better, they just have to get good enough to starve the camera industry to the point where there is a lack of viability.
This is what happened to P&S camera, it is what is happening to bridge cameras now, and it may well be what happens to M43 in the near future. Who knows, APS-S might become a thing of the past in a few years as camera companies start concentrating their dwindling resources on larger format cameras that have a sufficient quality edge to keep cell phones at bay for the moment.
Note that Panasonic has tossed their hat in the Full Frame ring, and our favourite brand appears to be moving ever more upscale to give them lots of room between them and cell phones. It may well be that it isn’t a coincidence that we aren’t seeing a K3II replacement. There may be more to this than just running out of prime numbers.
We are seeing real cameras being pushed to the fringes of the photographic marketplace.
---------- Post added 05-11-19 at 10:52 AM ----------
Originally posted by Robin The question that I have to ask about smartphone photos is, is the imaging better, or is the electronic post processing better? So then the real question is, did you take a good photo, or did the phone make it good?
Did you take a good photo with your DSLR or did the in camera jpeg engine make it good?
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It will have to be the IPhone. He can’t get a Huawei in his country.