Photographer shot nine times by three teens who asked him for a photo

pinholecam · 10-08-2019, 10:09 PM

I am highly skilled with swords and knives.
Like Lord of the Rings Elven skilled.
I can cut down swathes of people in a few minutes.

Whether its guns or swords, don't make a difference in the number I can take down.

Yeah...right...

Last edited by Sandy Hancock; 10-08-2019 at 11:59 PM. Reason: politics

ZombieArmy · 10-08-2019, 10:30 PM

Watching the footage the victim really showed why you shouldn't try to make a confrontation with people when no one else is around, especially when you're outnumbered. As soon as racial slurs were being sent out he should have tried anything to get out of the situation.

**Serkevan** · 10-08-2019, 11:52 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ZombieArmy

Watching the footage the victim really showed why you shouldn't try to make a confrontation with people when no one else is around, especially when you're outnumbered. As soon as racial slurs were being sent out he should have tried anything to get out of the situation.

They would have shot him anyway most likely. Three 18/17 year old kids? Someone stupid enough to shoot a livestreaming photographer, then leave the phone AND the camera, would still have tried to shoot.
Thankfully he's okay. The fact that there has to be a crowdfunding campaign to help him pay the hospital bills is sickening, though.

Sandy Hancock · 10-08-2019, 11:59 PM

A reminder that political discussion is taboo here. One more inappropriate comment and there will be repercussions.

dafbp · 10-09-2019, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by WondringLisa

What the hell is wrong with some people!

People??!! The only people in this story is the photographer.

Zooland · 10-09-2019, 02:59 AM

Wow, he’s really lucky to be alive after taking 9 bullets. Someone should raise some funds for him.

HoutHans · 10-09-2019, 03:25 AM

A mind boggling and sad story. Glad to hear that the photographer is alive and another reminder that humans are strange animals. I remember seeing tutorials and talking to wildlife experts on how to safely take pictures of large predators (when I was hoping to encounter bears in north Sweden), but this is another level. To be honest, I'm always cautious when taking photos of people in cities. How does that work for you?

Unregistered User · 10-09-2019, 03:38 AM - **3 Likes**

Among advocates of the right to self-defense, there's a phrase that should be kept in mind by anyone and everyone: "situational awareness". When you're out "in the world", not in a place that you control, you have to be aware of what's going on around you all the time if you want to keep yourself safe. And you have to use your "spidey sense" (intuition, gut instinct, Holy Spirit, or whatever you like to call it) to have some perception of the motivations of the people around you. I'll bet this guy would say, "Dammit, I KNEW those guys were up to no good when they demanded that I take their pictures for free." That would have been the time to (1) get together with other people, whether by yelling for help or walking to where they are (if there are people available, (2) leave the area, and (3) prepare for self-defense (assuming you're in a locality that doesn't prohibit self-defense). Always listen to "that small, still voice" that tells you trouble's brewing - it's always right (and if it ain't, you don't lose anything by avoiding what looks like trouble brewing).

I don't travel to places where self-defense is prohibited (e.g., Washington DC, Maryland, Massachussetts, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, California, or Hawaii, especially).

veato · 10-09-2019, 04:59 AM

That's horrific. Nine times he was shot! Jesus.

jddwoods · 10-09-2019, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

Senseless behaviour happens everywhere Dave.

Thank You! I agree senseless behavior can happen anywhere.

**clickclick** · 10-09-2019, 06:13 AM

My K1000 was stolen from me at gunpoint (late 70's). Retrospectively, I think we were scoped out and followed until the guy had us "alone" (friend and I were cruising around Washington D.C. on foot taking pictures). Situational awareness is key.

**Sir Nameless** · 10-09-2019, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by dlh

And you have to use your "spidey sense"

Somebody I know went on a tour to a country in the Middle East. Somehow, a man convinced my friend to get on a camel to get his picture taken. Said camel stood up, and the man demanded a ransom be paid before he would command the camel to lie down again (and let my friend off). Sort of a funny story, sort of a hard-won lesson learned about not being too trusting.

**Reality_Check** · 10-09-2019, 07:19 AM - **1 Like**

One big reason why I prefer to have a firearm on my person. Never underestimate the power of stupid people, especially in large numbers. Kids these days must be taught differently when it comes to the value of human life. Sad deal.

**Serkevan** · 10-09-2019, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by Reality_Check

One big reason why I prefer to have a firearm on my person. Never underestimate the power of stupid people, especially in large numbers. Kids these days must be taught differently when it comes to the value of human life. Sad deal.

Without getting into whether carrying a weapon or not is appropriate (not for the thread for sure) I would say that, in this case it wouldn't have changed anything. Shot from the back and, from the video, with no indication of seeing the handgun being pulled out.

**Reality_Check** · 10-09-2019, 07:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Serkevan

Without getting into whether carrying a weapon or not is appropriate (not for the thread for sure) I would say that, in this case it wouldn't have changed anything. Shot from the back and, from the video, with no indication of seeing the handgun being pulled out.

Fair point - admittedly I have not yet watched the video.

That being said, simly the act of having a firearm on one's person is (or should always be) accomanied by "Condition Yellow" :

Relaxed alert. No specific threat situation. Your mindset is that "today could be the day I may have to defend myself". You are simply aware that the world is a potentially unfriendly place and that you are prepared to defend yourself, if necessary.

Also, at least in Minnesota, one has a Duty to Retreat if at all possible. When you're constantly aware of your surroundings with the understanding that you have a duty to retreat the chance of being in such a situation is severely reduced, though never completely eliminated. Simply put - as soon as you have the slightest incliniation of something amiss, you exit stage left quick fast & in a hurry. The training I received prior to receiving a permit to carry really, really hammered home doing everything you can to avoid these situations in the first place.

I pray that this person recovers fully and continues the passion for photography.

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10-08-2019, 10:09 PM	#16
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	I am highly skilled with swords and knives. Like Lord of the Rings Elven skilled. I can cut down swathes of people in a few minutes. Whether its guns or swords, don't make a difference in the number I can take down. Yeah...right... Last edited by Sandy Hancock; 10-08-2019 at 11:59 PM. Reason: politics

10-08-2019, 10:30 PM	#17
ZombieArmy Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 3,210	Watching the footage the victim really showed why you shouldn't try to make a confrontation with people when no one else is around, especially when you're outnumbered. As soon as racial slurs were being sent out he should have tried anything to get out of the situation.

10-08-2019, 11:52 PM - 2 Likes	#18
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by ZombieArmy Watching the footage the victim really showed why you shouldn't try to make a confrontation with people when no one else is around, especially when you're outnumbered. As soon as racial slurs were being sent out he should have tried anything to get out of the situation. They would have shot him anyway most likely. Three 18/17 year old kids? Someone stupid enough to shoot a livestreaming photographer, then leave the phone AND the camera, would still have tried to shoot. Thankfully he's okay. The fact that there has to be a crowdfunding campaign to help him pay the hospital bills is sickening, though.

10-08-2019, 11:59 PM	#19
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	A reminder that political discussion is taboo here. One more inappropriate comment and there will be repercussions.

10-09-2019, 12:25 AM	#20
dafbp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 233	Originally posted by WondringLisa What the hell is wrong with some people! People??!! The only people in this story is the photographer.

10-09-2019, 02:59 AM	#21
Zooland Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 370	Wow, he’s really lucky to be alive after taking 9 bullets. Someone should raise some funds for him.

10-09-2019, 03:25 AM	#22
HoutHans Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Appingedam Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,119	A mind boggling and sad story. Glad to hear that the photographer is alive and another reminder that humans are strange animals. I remember seeing tutorials and talking to wildlife experts on how to safely take pictures of large predators (when I was hoping to encounter bears in north Sweden), but this is another level. To be honest, I'm always cautious when taking photos of people in cities. How does that work for you?

10-09-2019, 03:38 AM - 3 Likes	#23
Unregistered User Guest	Among advocates of the right to self-defense, there's a phrase that should be kept in mind by anyone and everyone: "situational awareness". When you're out "in the world", not in a place that you control, you have to be aware of what's going on around you all the time if you want to keep yourself safe. And you have to use your "spidey sense" (intuition, gut instinct, Holy Spirit, or whatever you like to call it) to have some perception of the motivations of the people around you. I'll bet this guy would say, "Dammit, I KNEW those guys were up to no good when they demanded that I take their pictures for free." That would have been the time to (1) get together with other people, whether by yelling for help or walking to where they are (if there are people available, (2) leave the area, and (3) prepare for self-defense (assuming you're in a locality that doesn't prohibit self-defense). Always listen to "that small, still voice" that tells you trouble's brewing - it's always right (and if it ain't, you don't lose anything by avoiding what looks like trouble brewing). I don't travel to places where self-defense is prohibited (e.g., Washington DC, Maryland, Massachussetts, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, California, or Hawaii, especially).

10-09-2019, 04:59 AM	#24
veato Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Nottingham Posts: 543	That's horrific. Nine times he was shot! Jesus.

10-09-2019, 05:42 AM	#25
jddwoods Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,035	Originally posted by MarkJerling Senseless behaviour happens everywhere Dave. Thank You! I agree senseless behavior can happen anywhere.

10-09-2019, 06:13 AM	#26
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,903	My K1000 was stolen from me at gunpoint (late 70's). Retrospectively, I think we were scoped out and followed until the guy had us "alone" (friend and I were cruising around Washington D.C. on foot taking pictures). Situational awareness is key.

10-09-2019, 06:48 AM	#27
Sir Nameless Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Mass a chew sits Photos: Gallery Posts: 574	Originally posted by dlh And you have to use your "spidey sense" Somebody I know went on a tour to a country in the Middle East. Somehow, a man convinced my friend to get on a camel to get his picture taken. Said camel stood up, and the man demanded a ransom be paid before he would command the camel to lie down again (and let my friend off). Sort of a funny story, sort of a hard-won lesson learned about not being too trusting.

10-09-2019, 07:19 AM - 1 Like	#28
Reality_Check Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Nashville Photos: Albums Posts: 394	One big reason why I prefer to have a firearm on my person. Never underestimate the power of stupid people, especially in large numbers. Kids these days must be taught differently when it comes to the value of human life. Sad deal.

10-09-2019, 07:27 AM	#29
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Reality_Check One big reason why I prefer to have a firearm on my person. Never underestimate the power of stupid people, especially in large numbers. Kids these days must be taught differently when it comes to the value of human life. Sad deal. Without getting into whether carrying a weapon or not is appropriate (not for the thread for sure) I would say that, in this case it wouldn't have changed anything. Shot from the back and, from the video, with no indication of seeing the handgun being pulled out.

10-09-2019, 07:39 AM - 1 Like	#30
Reality_Check Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Nashville Photos: Albums Posts: 394	Originally posted by Serkevan Without getting into whether carrying a weapon or not is appropriate (not for the thread for sure) I would say that, in this case it wouldn't have changed anything. Shot from the back and, from the video, with no indication of seeing the handgun being pulled out. Fair point - admittedly I have not yet watched the video. That being said, simly the act of having a firearm on one's person is (or should always be) accomanied by "Condition Yellow" : Relaxed alert. No specific threat situation. Your mindset is that "today could be the day I may have to defend myself". You are simply aware that the world is a potentially unfriendly place and that you are prepared to defend yourself, if necessary. Also, at least in Minnesota, one has a Duty to Retreat if at all possible. When you're constantly aware of your surroundings with the understanding that you have a duty to retreat the chance of being in such a situation is severely reduced, though never completely eliminated. Simply put - as soon as you have the slightest incliniation of something amiss, you exit stage left quick fast & in a hurry. The training I received prior to receiving a permit to carry really, really hammered home doing everything you can to avoid these situations in the first place. I pray that this person recovers fully and continues the passion for photography.