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12-19-2019, 03:41 PM   #1
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What is SmugMug good for?

As an ON1 subscriber, I am being offered a 1-year SmugMug Portfolio Membership free of charge. I already have a Flickr pro account. What would this SmugMug membership offer that is different? I would like to hear from SmugMug users.

Presumably, SmugMug is offering this in the hope that we'll then sign up as paying members in future years. I doubt that I would. Does everything disappear when a membership lapses?

12-19-2019, 04:55 PM   #2
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QuoteOriginally posted by Paul the Sunman Quote
As an ON1 subscriber, I am being offered a 1-year SmugMug Portfolio Membership free of charge. I already have a Flickr pro account. What would this SmugMug membership offer that is different? I would like to hear from SmugMug users.

Presumably, SmugMug is offering this in the hope that we'll then sign up as paying members in future years. I doubt that I would. Does everything disappear when a membership lapses?
SmugMug is very different than Flickr. It's more for selling photos...

I got a free membership from Skylum. I let the membership lapse and now I get a past due reminder at least once a week. I really should remember to log in and cancel. I never did upload any photos...
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It's more for selling photos...
Now that Smugmug owns Flickr, Flickr has the capability to sell prints of your photos. I still wouldn't use Flickr as a platform for a photography business, but it's one more reason not to bother with setting up a SmugMug account.
12-19-2019, 05:32 PM   #4
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I've tried to look at people's smugmug pages, but it was always somewhat tedious. But maybe I just looked at bad setups.

12-19-2019, 05:39 PM   #5
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This just came in from SmugMug/Flickr. It seems Flickr is still not a paying proposition.

Dear Flickr Pros,
First, and above all else: thank you. Thank you for being a part of our community. Thank you for caring about Flickr. Thank you for supporting Flickr. Thank you for being a Flickr Pro.

Two years ago, Flickr was losing tens of millions of dollars a year. Our company, SmugMug, stepped in to rescue it from being shut down and to save tens of billions of your precious photos from being erased.

Why? We’ve spent 17 years lovingly building our company into a thriving, family-owned and -operated business that cares deeply about photographers. SmugMug has always been the place for photographers to showcase their photography, and we’ve long admired how Flickr has been the community where they connect with each other. We couldn’t stand by and watch Flickr vanish.

So we took a big risk, stepped in, and saved Flickr. Together, we created the world’s largest photographer-focused community: a place where photographers can stand out and fit in.

And yet, Flickr—the world’s most-beloved, money-losing business—still needs your help.

We’ve been hard at work improving Flickr. We hired an excellent, large staff of Support Heroes who now deliver support with an average customer satisfaction rating of above 90%. We got rid of Yahoo’s login. We moved the platform and every photo to Amazon Web Services (AWS), the industry leader in cloud computing, and modernized its technology along the way. As a result, pages are already 20% faster and photos load 30% more quickly. Platform outages, including Pandas, are way down. Flickr continues to get faster and more stable, and important new features are being built once again.

Our work is never done, but we’ve made tremendous progress.

Flickr still needs your help. It’s still losing money. You, and hundreds of thousands of loyal Flickr members stepped up and joined Flickr Pro, for which we are eternally grateful. It’s losing a lot less money than it was. But it’s not yet making enough.

We need more Flickr Pro members if we want to keep the Flickr dream alive, and we need your help to share the story of Flickr.

We didn’t buy Flickr because we thought it was a cash cow. Unlike platforms like Facebook, we also didn’t buy it to invade your privacy and sell your data. We bought it because we love photographers, we love photography, and we believe Flickr deserves not only to live on but thrive. We think the world agrees; and we think the Flickr community does, too. But we cannot continue to operate it at a loss as we’ve been doing.

Flickr is the world’s largest photographer-focused community. It’s the world’s best way to find great photography and connect with amazing photographers. Flickr hosts some of the world’s most iconic, most priceless photos, freely available to the entire world. This community is home to more than 100 million accounts and tens of billions of photos. It serves billions of photos every single day. It’s huge. It’s a priceless treasure for the whole world. And it costs money to operate. Lots of money.

As you know, Flickr is the best value in photo sharing anywhere in the world. Flickr Pro members get ad-free browsing for themselves and their visitors, advanced stats, unlimited full-quality storage for all their photos, plus premium features and access to the world’s largest photographer-focused community.

Please, help us spread the word. Help us make Flickr thrive. Help us ensure Flickr has a bright future. Every Flickr Pro subscription goes directly to keeping Flickr alive and creating great new experiences for photographers like you. We are building lots of great things for the Flickr community, but we need your help. We can do this together.

We’re launching our end-of-year Pro subscription campaign on Thursday, December 26, but I want to give you a coupon code to share with friends, family, or anyone who shares your love of photography and community so they can enjoy the same 25% discount before the campaign starts.

We’ve gone to great lengths to optimize Flickr for cost savings wherever possible, but the increasing cost of operating this enormous community and continuing to invest in its future will require a small price increase early in the new year, so this is truly the very best time to help everyone upgrade to a Pro membership.

If you value Flickr finally being independent, built for photographers and by photographers, we need your help.

With gratitude,

Don MacAskill
Co-Founder, CEO & Chief Geek
SmugMug + Flickr
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This just came in from SmugMug/Flickr. It seems Flickr is still not a paying proposition.
As much as people like me who only have the free Flickr account might complain, the best thing SmugMug could do for people like you with a Pro account is eliminate free accounts. Even if only 1 out of every 1000 free account holders convert to the Pro account, SmugMug is far further ahead and Pro account holders won't have to worry about their service disappearing in the future. My only request for SmugMug is don't pretend to be a charity case needing the public's help.
12-19-2019, 08:16 PM   #7
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QuoteOriginally posted by Paul the Sunman Quote
As an ON1 subscriber, I am being offered a 1-year SmugMug Portfolio Membership free of charge. I already have a Flickr pro account. What would this SmugMug membership offer that is different? I would like to hear from SmugMug users.

Presumably, SmugMug is offering this in the hope that we'll then sign up as paying members in future years. I doubt that I would. Does everything disappear when a membership lapses?
I used SmugMug to host my pictures. I could set up selling, but I don't have any need to do that. SMugMug lets you create a photo hosting site from a combination of galleries, folders and custom web pages. You can control if each page on the site is public or private. I have found the interface easy to use and the hosting service has been fast and reliable. I have contacted support a few times and always had a fast response so far. My site at Richard Bird Photography is on SmugMug. I can't compare to Flickr, never having used it.
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If smugmug is really losing money on Flickr, why are they offering free smugmug accounts? I'm skeptical.

12-19-2019, 11:50 PM   #9
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As a wedding photographer I use smugmug for my reference when asked about my pictures. I pay 80$ per year. If I even shoot one wedding per year, I would have covered the cost of that.
Even though sometimes it feels limited with what I want to do, You still can do a lot with their services.
You can attach a domain name. I am not sure you can do that with Flickr. You can check my website to see what I am talking about.

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12-20-2019, 12:00 AM   #10
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As a wedding photographer I use smugmug for my reference when asked about my pictures. I pay 80$ per year. If I even shoot one wedding per year, I would have covered the cost of that.
Even though sometimes it feels limited with what I want to do, You still can do a lot with their services.
You can attach a domain name. I am not sure you can do that with Flickr. You can check my website to see what I am talking about.

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Thanks. Looks good.
12-20-2019, 02:49 AM   #11
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This just came in from SmugMug/Flickr. It seems Flickr is still not a paying proposition.

Dear Flickr Pros,
First, and above all else: thank you. Thank you for being a part of our community. Thank you for caring about Flickr. Thank you for supporting Flickr. Thank you for being a Flickr Pro.

Two years ago, Flickr was losing tens of millions of dollars a year. Our company, SmugMug, stepped in to rescue it from being shut down and to save tens of billions of your precious photos from being erased.

Why? We’ve spent 17 years lovingly building our company into a thriving, family-owned and -operated business that cares deeply about photographers. SmugMug has always been the place for photographers to showcase their photography, and we’ve long admired how Flickr has been the community where they connect with each other. We couldn’t stand by and watch Flickr vanish.

So we took a big risk, stepped in, and saved Flickr. Together, we created the world’s largest photographer-focused community: a place where photographers can stand out and fit in.

And yet, Flickr—the world’s most-beloved, money-losing business—still needs your help.

We’ve been hard at work improving Flickr. We hired an excellent, large staff of Support Heroes who now deliver support with an average customer satisfaction rating of above 90%. We got rid of Yahoo’s login. We moved the platform and every photo to Amazon Web Services (AWS), the industry leader in cloud computing, and modernized its technology along the way. As a result, pages are already 20% faster and photos load 30% more quickly. Platform outages, including Pandas, are way down. Flickr continues to get faster and more stable, and important new features are being built once again.

Our work is never done, but we’ve made tremendous progress.

Flickr still needs your help. It’s still losing money. You, and hundreds of thousands of loyal Flickr members stepped up and joined Flickr Pro, for which we are eternally grateful. It’s losing a lot less money than it was. But it’s not yet making enough.

We need more Flickr Pro members if we want to keep the Flickr dream alive, and we need your help to share the story of Flickr.

We didn’t buy Flickr because we thought it was a cash cow. Unlike platforms like Facebook, we also didn’t buy it to invade your privacy and sell your data. We bought it because we love photographers, we love photography, and we believe Flickr deserves not only to live on but thrive. We think the world agrees; and we think the Flickr community does, too. But we cannot continue to operate it at a loss as we’ve been doing.

Flickr is the world’s largest photographer-focused community. It’s the world’s best way to find great photography and connect with amazing photographers. Flickr hosts some of the world’s most iconic, most priceless photos, freely available to the entire world. This community is home to more than 100 million accounts and tens of billions of photos. It serves billions of photos every single day. It’s huge. It’s a priceless treasure for the whole world. And it costs money to operate. Lots of money.

As you know, Flickr is the best value in photo sharing anywhere in the world. Flickr Pro members get ad-free browsing for themselves and their visitors, advanced stats, unlimited full-quality storage for all their photos, plus premium features and access to the world’s largest photographer-focused community.

Please, help us spread the word. Help us make Flickr thrive. Help us ensure Flickr has a bright future. Every Flickr Pro subscription goes directly to keeping Flickr alive and creating great new experiences for photographers like you. We are building lots of great things for the Flickr community, but we need your help. We can do this together.

We’re launching our end-of-year Pro subscription campaign on Thursday, December 26, but I want to give you a coupon code to share with friends, family, or anyone who shares your love of photography and community so they can enjoy the same 25% discount before the campaign starts.

We’ve gone to great lengths to optimize Flickr for cost savings wherever possible, but the increasing cost of operating this enormous community and continuing to invest in its future will require a small price increase early in the new year, so this is truly the very best time to help everyone upgrade to a Pro membership.

If you value Flickr finally being independent, built for photographers and by photographers, we need your help.

With gratitude,

Don MacAskill
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Not so good news. When you have to plea then you are ready to pull the plug.
12-20-2019, 04:19 AM   #12
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It's a nice way to showcase my pictures to friends and so. About 80 / year.
pretty customizable if you ask me.

I also post on flickr (free account) but less and less.. to me that is more for the online community..
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Not so good news. When you have to plea then you are ready to pull the plug.
Probably not. I'm guessing they'll just continue to scale down the number of photos you can upload to a free account. The goal has to be to get a decent percentage of users to actually invest in a Pro Account.
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What SmugMug is good for?

Well, to begin with, they offered full-res JPEG image display at a time when competing sites didn't have anything remotely similar, and while that may have changed in recent years, they're still industry-leading with regard to image display quality IMO. At least, I have never uploaded my images to a hosting site where they looked better or even nearly as good. So much so, that I gladly pay $72 a year for their Power plan, which gives me unlimited uploads and a number of other advanced features. The joy I'm getting from being able to present my images at their best, with full control over who can view them and/or download them, is absolutely worth it. But people's mileage will vary of course.
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I have been using a free account at Flickr for a few years now. During that time I have really come to appreciate the many new and enhanced features and services offered by Flickr. Also, I value the Flickr community.

So, I've decided to finally upgrade to a "Pro" account. With all of the discounts and coupons it only cost me $29 for a full year. That's well worth it when I consider that the cloud backup services I use cost around $100 per year for limited storage . While at Flickr, I can upload an unlimited number of extremely large photo files (and videos) to their "storage cloud".

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