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**pres589** · 03-11-2020, 08:45 AM

It's nice seeing the focus peaking "guide lines" for a more nuanced display. Focus confirmation lights and such aren't bad but I don't have as much trust in them.

normhead · 03-11-2020, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by pres589

It's nice seeing the focus peaking "guide lines" for a more nuanced display. Focus confirmation lights and such aren't bad but I don't have as much trust in them.

If the more nuanced display doesn't lead to more nuanced images, I really don't care. The best way to unclutter your life. Ignore the glitter, stick to the minimum necessary. At least that would be my way of seeing it.

**pres589** · 03-11-2020, 09:42 AM

Having a preference for one forme of focus indication vs. the other does not mean my life is overly complicated. Come on. In a lot of ways the K-1 would be a better home for Pentax glass than the Fuji setup. This is the one thing I would prefer, to have as a focusing aid. This is not a big deal.

normhead · 03-11-2020, 11:36 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pres589

Having a preference for one forme of focus indication vs. the other does not mean my life is overly complicated. Come on. In a lot of ways the K-1 would be a better home for Pentax glass than the Fuji setup. This is the one thing I would prefer, to have as a focusing aid. This is not a big deal.

Now that I have a camera capable of some of that stuff, I just find it irritating. My big question has become, "can I turn this off".

MarkJerling · 03-11-2020, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Nokturner

....Yes, no Pentax camera has a tilltable electronic viewfinder, a must ever since I started using one. Any camera without that is a 100% dealbraker for me for now on, regardles other beenefits. And also this tiny little lightweigt NEX performs wery, wery well with it's really nice sensor (though really fiddly small buttons, totally hopeless to use).

Listen Pentax/Ricoh: you will beat this in a blink if you decide: small, tactile mirrorless camera with tilltable viewfinder and no crippled K-mount (if you don't start making real M-series style lenses/autofocus lenses again. But then you need a non crippled mount... Ha, ha). -Not much buttons and menus: ISO, shutterspeed and exposure compensation buttons on top of camera (combined with front and back wheel for the same). No top display taking up space for what purpose from what you already feel and se from the mechanical buttons, wheels and rings giving joyfull tactile feedback. Menus stripped down to a minimum, the NEX 5N is exemplary, but strip it down eaven more to just some few really photographic meaningfull settings. And choose this settings picky, and they don't need to be many. The less picky they are picked, the more of them they tend to be and most of them totally uneccesary.....

I feel I need to put you out of your misery:
Ricoh makes what Ricoh believes will sell. The fact that you need something that almost no-one else needs will not alter their design direction.

In short, you either need to find a Pentax DSLR that you can live with, or you'll need to find something from another manufacturer that you can live with. Good luck with your search.

noelpolar · 03-11-2020, 04:43 PM - **4 Likes**

The way I see it.... Nokturner is just sharing his thoughts on his way of enjoying some pentax lenses.... not so much looking for validation..... or something to be fixed. Generally, we are all mostly characters here, enjoying and playing at the fringe of the bell curve to some extent. Good for him I say..... whilst I still enjoy doing it my way.

**pres589** · 03-11-2020, 05:05 PM

I wonder what he would think of the K-1's tilt & telescoping screen. It might be very much to his liking.

pid · 03-12-2020, 03:43 AM

@Nokturner: ... did you ever used this outstanding M-Zoom? SMC Pentax-M 35-70mm F2.8-3.5 Reviews - M Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

Nokturner · 03-12-2020, 07:00 AM

I don't like to upset you fellows more than I obviously already has, as to upset was not my intention.

But I adress some of the questions:

Pentax K-1 and II I have only read and seen reviews of, newer held in my hands. I think it's tilt screen mechanism looks as totally great as cool!

No, I have not tried the M35-70/2.8-3.5. Looks like a wery nice lens! I have once concidered bying me one when I did find one at sale on the net here in Sweden, actually not so long ago :-)

**pres589** · 03-12-2020, 07:58 AM

I don't think anyone here is upset and this seems like a pretty normal if not slightly subdued discussion.

stevebrot · 03-12-2020, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Nokturner

I don't like to upset you fellows more than I obviously already has, as to upset was not my intention.

That is OK...usually this sort of thread gets started in the late at night in the dead of winter and perhaps fueled by a shot or two of vodka. It is refreshing to have something like this as spring is breaking. Good luck on your quest for that special camera and so sorry you found no lasting joy with most of your M-series lenses.

Steve

**iheiramo** · 03-12-2020, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Nokturner

I don't like to upset you fellows more than I obviously already has, as to upset was not my intention.

Don't let Normhead scare you. That's just the way he writes

Since you have some lovely M gear do drop a shot or two in M club: The M Club! - Page 536 - PentaxForums.com

Nokturner · 03-14-2020, 08:44 AM

Ok guys! I have now posted a couple of shots in The M Club! Ops, now I see that one photo was with the Takumar 135/2.5, not an M-lens, as the name of the club states. Sorry for that :-)

The M Club! - Page 536 - PentaxForums.com

I also have to say that the M50/1.4 and M120/2.8 sometimes will follow in my photo bag, dependeing on what I'm going to photograph. Probably also sometimes some other M-lenses, just because they are fun to use and gives good images :-) Guess two at a time of them to carry with will be enough.

normhead · 03-15-2020, 06:33 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by iheiramo

Don't let Normhead scare you. That's just the way he writes

I'm actually a very friendly guy,

Nokturner · 03-15-2020, 08:51 AM

Ok Normhead! I would be glad to photograph side to side with you to learn and for the joy of it :-) I'm living in Europe though, in Sweden. A bit far maybe :-)

03-12-2020, 09:31 AM	#26
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Nokturner I don't like to upset you fellows more than I obviously already has, as to upset was not my intention. That is OK...usually this sort of thread gets started in the late at night in the dead of winter and perhaps fueled by a shot or two of vodka. It is refreshing to have something like this as spring is breaking. Good luck on your quest for that special camera and so sorry you found no lasting joy with most of your M-series lenses. Steve Last edited by stevebrot; 03-12-2020 at 10:45 AM. Reason: style

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03-11-2020, 08:45 AM	#16
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,533	It's nice seeing the focus peaking "guide lines" for a more nuanced display. Focus confirmation lights and such aren't bad but I don't have as much trust in them.

03-11-2020, 09:18 AM	#17
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by pres589 It's nice seeing the focus peaking "guide lines" for a more nuanced display. Focus confirmation lights and such aren't bad but I don't have as much trust in them. If the more nuanced display doesn't lead to more nuanced images, I really don't care. The best way to unclutter your life. Ignore the glitter, stick to the minimum necessary. At least that would be my way of seeing it.

03-11-2020, 09:42 AM	#18
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,533	Having a preference for one forme of focus indication vs. the other does not mean my life is overly complicated. Come on. In a lot of ways the K-1 would be a better home for Pentax glass than the Fuji setup. This is the one thing I would prefer, to have as a focusing aid. This is not a big deal.

03-11-2020, 11:36 AM - 1 Like	#19
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by pres589 Having a preference for one forme of focus indication vs. the other does not mean my life is overly complicated. Come on. In a lot of ways the K-1 would be a better home for Pentax glass than the Fuji setup. This is the one thing I would prefer, to have as a focusing aid. This is not a big deal. Now that I have a camera capable of some of that stuff, I just find it irritating. My big question has become, "can I turn this off".

03-11-2020, 03:28 PM	#20
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,408	Originally posted by Nokturner ....Yes, no Pentax camera has a tilltable electronic viewfinder, a must ever since I started using one. Any camera without that is a 100% dealbraker for me for now on, regardles other beenefits. And also this tiny little lightweigt NEX performs wery, wery well with it's really nice sensor (though really fiddly small buttons, totally hopeless to use). Listen Pentax/Ricoh: you will beat this in a blink if you decide: small, tactile mirrorless camera with tilltable viewfinder and no crippled K-mount (if you don't start making real M-series style lenses/autofocus lenses again. But then you need a non crippled mount... Ha, ha). -Not much buttons and menus: ISO, shutterspeed and exposure compensation buttons on top of camera (combined with front and back wheel for the same). No top display taking up space for what purpose from what you already feel and se from the mechanical buttons, wheels and rings giving joyfull tactile feedback. Menus stripped down to a minimum, the NEX 5N is exemplary, but strip it down eaven more to just some few really photographic meaningfull settings. And choose this settings picky, and they don't need to be many. The less picky they are picked, the more of them they tend to be and most of them totally uneccesary..... I feel I need to put you out of your misery: Ricoh makes what Ricoh believes will sell. The fact that you need something that almost no-one else needs will not alter their design direction. In short, you either need to find a Pentax DSLR that you can live with, or you'll need to find something from another manufacturer that you can live with. Good luck with your search.

03-11-2020, 04:43 PM - 4 Likes	#21
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	The way I see it.... Nokturner is just sharing his thoughts on his way of enjoying some pentax lenses.... not so much looking for validation..... or something to be fixed. Generally, we are all mostly characters here, enjoying and playing at the fringe of the bell curve to some extent. Good for him I say..... whilst I still enjoy doing it my way.

03-11-2020, 05:05 PM	#22
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,533	I wonder what he would think of the K-1's tilt & telescoping screen. It might be very much to his liking.

03-12-2020, 03:43 AM	#23
pid Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 567	@Nokturner: ... did you ever used this outstanding M-Zoom? SMC Pentax-M 35-70mm F2.8-3.5 Reviews - M Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

03-12-2020, 07:00 AM	#24
Nokturner Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 35 Original Poster	I don't like to upset you fellows more than I obviously already has, as to upset was not my intention. But I adress some of the questions: Pentax K-1 and II I have only read and seen reviews of, newer held in my hands. I think it's tilt screen mechanism looks as totally great as cool! No, I have not tried the M35-70/2.8-3.5. Looks like a wery nice lens! I have once concidered bying me one when I did find one at sale on the net here in Sweden, actually not so long ago :-)

03-12-2020, 07:58 AM	#25
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,533	I don't think anyone here is upset and this seems like a pretty normal if not slightly subdued discussion.

03-12-2020, 09:31 AM	#27
iheiramo Unoriginal Poster Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Espoo Photos: Albums Posts: 3,182	Originally posted by Nokturner I don't like to upset you fellows more than I obviously already has, as to upset was not my intention. Don't let Normhead scare you. That's just the way he writes Since you have some lovely M gear do drop a shot or two in M club: The M Club! - Page 536 - PentaxForums.com

03-14-2020, 08:44 AM	#28
Nokturner Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 35 Original Poster	Ok guys! I have now posted a couple of shots in The M Club! Ops, now I see that one photo was with the Takumar 135/2.5, not an M-lens, as the name of the club states. Sorry for that :-) The M Club! - Page 536 - PentaxForums.com I also have to say that the M50/1.4 and M120/2.8 sometimes will follow in my photo bag, dependeing on what I'm going to photograph. Probably also sometimes some other M-lenses, just because they are fun to use and gives good images :-) Guess two at a time of them to carry with will be enough.

03-15-2020, 06:33 AM - 1 Like	#29
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by iheiramo Don't let Normhead scare you. That's just the way he writes I'm actually a very friendly guy,

03-15-2020, 08:51 AM	#30
Nokturner Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 35 Original Poster	Ok Normhead! I would be glad to photograph side to side with you to learn and for the joy of it :-) I'm living in Europe though, in Sweden. A bit far maybe :-)