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View Poll Results: What is your target medi for images you take.Choose one digital and one print option.
TV display 55.32%
1920 or smaller monitor 2122.34%
4k computer monitor 1819.15%
Prints up to 8x10 inches 11.06%
Prints up to 14x11 44.26%
Prints up to 20-16 2122.34%
Prints up to 30x20 1010.64%
Prints 60x40 or over 55.32%
Laptop computer 33.19%
I don't print. 66.38%
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11-20-2021, 03:48 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ian Stuart Forsyth Quote
With digital photography has become more of an interactive medium that has no real fixed final display size.
I think this is an important point concerning digital photography.

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Not like the years leading up to digital where the final output size other than projectors.
Although 'enlargements' could be made. For example, a person could order their prints in a 4x6 inch format, then decide later to get an 8x10 inch enlargement from the same negative. Maybe I misunderstood what you are saying here.

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How images will be viewed is highly dependent on how the medium is going to be viewed and this varies dependent on the persons setup viewing the image and if they are viewing the photo as a interactive medium.
Not sure I understand this. Could you please give an example to illustrate?

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QuoteOriginally posted by c.a.m Quote
Although 'enlargements' could be made. For example, a person could order their prints in a 4x6 inch format, then decide later to get an 8x10 inch enlargement from the same negative. Maybe I misunderstood what you are saying here.
Previously to digital the size at which the work was displayed was fixed to outgoing medium ( the print size) now the viewers are using the medium in a more of an interactive format

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Not sure I understand this. Could you please give an example to illustrate?
Is the image being viewed on a phone or a home entertainment system
Also the end user can be viewing the final image like I said as a interactive viewing experience and viewing the image at a outside of what consider normal viewing experience of the past. Most digital platforms allow the user a freedom to look around your final product
11-20-2021, 04:23 PM   #18
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ian Stuart Forsyth Quote
the size at which the work was displayed was fixed to outgoing medium ( the print size)
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Is the image being viewed on a phone or a home entertainment system
Thanks. I think I understand now.

The OP's survey choices include several types of display setups. I believe the survey implies that images would be displayed in a static mode. Your point about "interactive viewing" is certainly valid, though.


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I process on monitors (haven't used bigger than 2k), but don't consider them to be valid display media (for how I want my photos to be viewed). So anything I put up on the internet is basically for thumbnail purposes. Giclee prints (up to 50cm on the long side - the approximate native resolution of my k 70 at 300dpi) by a professional printer who knows what she's doing are, to my eyes, the real thing.

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I process on monitors (haven't used bigger than 2k), but don't consider them to be valid display media (for how I want my photos to be viewed). So anything I put up on the internet is basically for thumbnail purposes. Giclee prints (up to 50cm on the long side - the approximate native resolution of my k 70 at 300dpi) by a professional printer who knows what she's doing are, to my eyes, the real thing.
50 CM, so 20 inches..300dpi 6000 dots per 20 inches....
OK, so how many of those have you done?

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I and others will regularly shoot with the highest resolution possible, because you never know.... I'm wondering how many actually use that extra capability.

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I and others will regularly shoot with the highest resolution possible, because you never know.... I'm wondering how many actually use that extra capability. SO far 77% could manage with a K-3 and some don't print or use a laptop (9%).

13% are looking for larger files,

it would be nteresting to see how that plays out.

SO far 77% would have at most a need for K-3 size, 6000x4000 at 300 dpi.

I'm not clear on what you're saying there Ian, maybe a "for dummies" version might work.

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On mobile I can’t pick more than one choice.
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I've never thought of shooting for a target media, I just shoot the largest I can, except I haven't shot in pixel shift. I also shoot for stock photos, and you really don't know what they will need. I know there are companies that will make wallpaper out of stock photos, when I saw that it kind of made me laugh.

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With digital photography has become more of an interactive medium that has no real fixed final display size.
Truth be told, print size requirement is a rationalization of a choice based on how much we are willing to spend and how much weight we are willing to carry. It is so because no one knows in advance how large an image might be displayed in the future.
In practice, we take photos with the equipment we have, and 10 years later when we (or someone else, e.g. relatives) enlarge photos from our older cameras, at that very moment we wished we had a better camera.
Nobody reject image quality and resolution improvements (e.g 108Mpixels) on smartphones, when it's seemingly given for "free". But with an ILC camera, even 40Mpixels is too much resolution if it costs money and carry effort.
Cognitive biases: one new $1000 iPhone every other year looks cheaper than one new $3000 camera every 6 years, while in reality the cost is the same.
Smartphone companies and teleco operators split bills in small chunks so that it looks cheap, but the total amount of money isn't cheap at all.

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Interestingly, photo labs lowest cost per square inch (highest volumes) is for 50 x 75 cm ( 20 x 30"), which corresponds to mainstream full frame camera images, this has been so since the first full frame DSLR were available, used for professional photo works, wedding, portraits, business portraits. Then comes the very high volumes (consumer market), for which the Fuji Frontier minilab were developed, they still prints a lot from mobiles phones and compact cameras.

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I've never thought of shooting for a target media, I just shoot the largest I can, except I haven't shot in pixel shift. I also shoot for stock photos, and you really don't know what they will need.
That is also my experience, I don't know in advantage the print size especially if the images aren't for me.

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I know there are companies that will make wallpaper out of stock photos, when I saw that it kind of made me laugh.
Well, wallpapers made from photos (printed at 150ppi) can be amazing, and especially create immersive feeling as if the viewing is there in the scene, this is a feeling that can't be created by small prints.

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11-21-2021, 02:40 AM   #24
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Realistically most of what I shoot is viewed on a 1920 monitor or even more likely a smaller phone screen
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Looks like only about 13% of poll contributors actually need a DSLR. A lot of us could leave the camera bag at home, just taking a compact camera or a smartphone could save a lot of money, weight/effort.
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
50 CM, so 20 inches..300dpi 6000 dots per 20 inches....
OK, so how many of those have you done?[COLOR="Silver"]
Only those that I consider artistically worthy :-D 10-20/year in the past 5 years... The rest is anecdotal or family stuff that probably could have been taken with a lower resolution phone camera, but I never developped the reflex ;-)
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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
Looks like only about 13% of poll contributors actually need a DSLR. A lot of us could leave the camera bag at home, just taking a compact camera or a smartphone could save a lot of money, weight/effort.
Good point - lower resolution would suffice for many people; unless they crop their shots for print.
For me, I can print up to 13x19 at home, and have a local shop that can print about 30 wide. Tradeshow booths and big signage need that extra resolution 645Z medium format gives me.
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I almost always photograph with a large print as my goal; my most typical display, however, is my laptop screen.
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I almost always photograph with a large print as my goal; my most typical display, however, is my laptop screen.
I suspect this is the thing that sells DSLRs and MILCs. The idea that we will take an image worthy of being printed large. Now that we aren't doing craft shows, we print maybe 5 or 6 images every couple of years. In the last few years, one 43"x30", a couple 30x20s, most 14x11 or smaller with the largest single size being a series of 3 24x16s. The one thing I don't know is if I'd like these images printed at lower resolutions.


It's like going to a casino.You pay your money, you might get a winner....
Even the 13% who indicated they need a lot of resolution seems high to me, in terms of the average population. I'm sure taken with the general public instead of a DSLR forum, the results would be a lot lower.

For myself, I can't do a print with the DR, even lighting or contrast of my 55 inch 4k TV.
I'd say 90% of my images look better on a TV screen.. for purely technical reasons.

I think you have to be little old school to favour prints on paper these days. From where I sit I can see 21 prints and 5 paintings. The first of those was taken in 2010. We probably have another 30 prints in storage.Two shooters, 10 years, 50 images, 2.5 per shooter per year.

Those gleaned from 1000s of images.
We enjoy the rest in slideshows on our 55" TV. As long as those 5 prints a year are important to us, we'll continue shooting DSLRs. But with this amount of experience, we know when a pocket camera will do. We also know when a DSLR doesn't bring anything to the table. Back in the early days of digital, we shot everything with DSLRs. Since then, we've learned to be more discriminating.

We like it when we get an image worthy of a large print, but we don't actually shoot to get them. We shoot for the best image possible, we decide after what to do with them. We probably shoot on average at least 5000 images a year. Sometimes as high as 20,000. What we do with them we decide afterwards.

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My experience with the Panasonic LX-7 and Sony RX100 IV teaches a lesson here. I have 8x10’s from both cameras that look good. On screen they are very good indeed. My dslr use siupports my fun as much as my desire to produce high quality output. But really? I don’t need a fraction of what I shoot with.
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