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gatorguy · 11-30-2021, 12:37 PM

May be of interest and discussion worthy....

The 20 Best DSLR as of October 2021

Of some note they rank the new K3III near the very top in third place, and ahead of some better known and well-regarded cameras such as the Nikon D850 and Canon 5D mkIV.
The rankings are "based on a transparent comparison of a large number of cameras across a wide range of body, sensor and feature characteristics.", and updated as new DSLR's are released.

Paul the Sunman · 11-30-2021, 01:37 PM

The K1 II also comes in 7th, which is very creditable.

Still, a single number cannot really "rate" something as complex as a DSLR, as they all have their specialisations and design choices.

Simon K · 11-30-2021, 01:42 PM - **1 Like**

Just an observation, with the newest firefox for PC scrolling down the site is not possible, chrome works fine.

**Sakura** · 11-30-2021, 02:01 PM

The Ricoh GRIII at 5th and 6th place. not a bad score

Paul the Sunman · 11-30-2021, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Simon K

Just an observation, with the newest firefox for PC scrolling down the site is not possible, chrome works fine.

Fine with Safari.

**StiffLegged** · 11-30-2021, 02:56 PM - **5 Likes**

Quote: ”There is a wide and growing choice of DSLRs on the market.”

Eh? Someone didn’t get the memo…. DSLRs are dooooomed, as simply everyone knows.

Anyway, ELO means Electric Light Orchestra to my generation.

**luftfluss** · 11-30-2021, 05:38 PM

I've seen Elo in sports, but never thought to see it applied to cameras.

**jbinpg** · 11-30-2021, 06:07 PM

No problem scrolling in latest firefox on ubuntu 21.10.

Simon K · 11-30-2021, 06:21 PM

Sorry all, it's not an issue with firefox, it was due to the add blocker applied.

**Michail_P** · 12-01-2021, 01:10 AM

There are great models in the ratings. Considering the pro body in the first place, Pentax is doing really well. The Nikon is of the few I’ve used and it’s a damn good camera. Next goal is to get my hands on the K-3iii.

**Rondec** · 12-01-2021, 04:15 AM

Originally posted by StiffLegged

Quote: ”There is a wide and growing choice of DSLRs on the market.”

Eh? Someone didn’t get the memo…. DSLRs are dooooomed, as simply everyone knows.

Anyway, ELO means Electric Light Orchestra to my generation.

I mostly think of it in terms of Chess. FIDE Online. FIDE Top players - Standard Top 100 Players December 2021

The World Championship is on right now in Dubai and so far there are four draws. Hopefully we don't have a repeat of last championship when every single game ended in a draw. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-worlds-best-chess-players-are-too-good-to-win/

VictorDA · 12-01-2021, 05:42 AM

I's an interesting approach on principle, but:

Quote:

While the Camera Elo is more transparent and more consistent than some other camera review-ratings, it still involves some reviewer choices. In particular, the scores from the CAM-parator app, which serve as input for the rating, are a simple count of relative body, sensor, and feature advantages. All identified differences carry equal weight.
This "uniform importance" weighing scheme will perhaps not correspond to your personal requirements,...

At that point, I became much less convinced about real-life usefulness of that indicator

Furthermore, note that the top DSLR (Canon 1D X Mark III) is only #26 (!) across camera types. Basically the whole top-25 is mirrorless, which makes you wonder about the aforementioned criteria choice (for instance does "EVF" count as a plus or minus compared to OVF?)

**ehrwien** · 12-01-2021, 09:31 AM

They missed the K-S1 with its 558g for the "Lightweight" category. It would have been 2 places better than the K-S2 which is 16th with its 678g

11-30-2021, 12:37 PM	#1
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,094	Camera Elo ratings May be of interest and discussion worthy.... The 20 Best DSLR as of October 2021 Of some note they rank the new K3III near the very top in third place, and ahead of some better known and well-regarded cameras such as the Nikon D850 and Canon 5D mkIV. The rankings are "based on a transparent comparison of a large number of cameras across a wide range of body, sensor and feature characteristics.", and updated as new DSLR's are released.

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11-30-2021, 01:37 PM	#2
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,847	The K1 II also comes in 7th, which is very creditable. Still, a single number cannot really "rate" something as complex as a DSLR, as they all have their specialisations and design choices.

11-30-2021, 01:42 PM - 1 Like	#3
Simon K Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2019 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 467	Just an observation, with the newest firefox for PC scrolling down the site is not possible, chrome works fine.

11-30-2021, 02:01 PM	#4
Sakura Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 438	The Ricoh GRIII at 5th and 6th place. not a bad score

11-30-2021, 02:03 PM	#5
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,847	Originally posted by Simon K Just an observation, with the newest firefox for PC scrolling down the site is not possible, chrome works fine. Fine with Safari.

11-30-2021, 02:56 PM - 5 Likes	#6
StiffLegged Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2018 Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,637	Quote: ”There is a wide and growing choice of DSLRs on the market.” Eh? Someone didn’t get the memo…. DSLRs are dooooomed, as simply everyone knows. Anyway, ELO means Electric Light Orchestra to my generation.

11-30-2021, 05:38 PM	#7
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,628	I've seen Elo in sports, but never thought to see it applied to cameras.

11-30-2021, 06:07 PM	#8
jbinpg Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Prince George, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,546	No problem scrolling in latest firefox on ubuntu 21.10.

11-30-2021, 06:21 PM	#9
Simon K Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2019 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 467	Sorry all, it's not an issue with firefox, it was due to the add blocker applied.

12-01-2021, 01:10 AM	#10
Michail_P Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Kalymnos Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,006	There are great models in the ratings. Considering the pro body in the first place, Pentax is doing really well. The Nikon is of the few I’ve used and it’s a damn good camera. Next goal is to get my hands on the K-3iii.

12-01-2021, 04:15 AM	#11
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,665	Originally posted by StiffLegged Quote: ”There is a wide and growing choice of DSLRs on the market.” Eh? Someone didn’t get the memo…. DSLRs are dooooomed, as simply everyone knows. Anyway, ELO means Electric Light Orchestra to my generation. I mostly think of it in terms of Chess. FIDE Online. FIDE Top players - Standard Top 100 Players December 2021 The World Championship is on right now in Dubai and so far there are four draws. Hopefully we don't have a repeat of last championship when every single game ended in a draw. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-worlds-best-chess-players-are-too-good-to-win/

12-01-2021, 05:42 AM	#12
VictorDA Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lyon area, France Posts: 718	I's an interesting approach on principle, but: Quote: While the Camera Elo is more transparent and more consistent than some other camera review-ratings, it still involves some reviewer choices. In particular, the scores from the CAM-parator app, which serve as input for the rating, are a simple count of relative body, sensor, and feature advantages. All identified differences carry equal weight. This "uniform importance" weighing scheme will perhaps not correspond to your personal requirements,... At that point, I became much less convinced about real-life usefulness of that indicator Furthermore, note that the top DSLR (Canon 1D X Mark III) is only #26 (!) across camera types. Basically the whole top-25 is mirrorless, which makes you wonder about the aforementioned criteria choice (for instance does "EVF" count as a plus or minus compared to OVF?)

12-01-2021, 09:31 AM	#13
ehrwien Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 2,784	They missed the K-S1 with its 558g for the "Lightweight" category. It would have been 2 places better than the K-S2 which is 16th with its 678g

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