Originally posted by jdd This was an interesting discussion, if only because of all the "bokeh" references. I learned how to use a camera in the 80's with a Pentax K1000. We were taught shutter speed, aperture, exposure, depth of field, etc, but I never heard the word "bokeh" used. Fast forward to the 2000's and I start getting back into using a camera. Seems like very other word I see in a review or article is about "bokeh". I had to look it up. It's like lenses, light, and aperture all got reworked/re-envisioned somehow in the 90's and I missed the boat.
I remember using shallow depth of field back in the early-mid '70s to isolate subjects, not only in portraits but with other subjects, too. I remember thinking in terms of shallow depth of field, and knowing that depth of field could be shallow or deep, and that different circumstances called for different apertures.
But I don't remember hearing the term "bokeh" back then. I'm not sure when that became part of my vocabulary. But I sure used it back then, and still do. Even in concert photography: my favorite venue to shoot at is the "Scatty" Barn (think synonym), a small venue with no stage and the audience is close to the performers and the official "scatty" photographers can get even closer if they want. I use fast lenses not only to freeze action, but also to use very selective focusing. I've used my 50/1.4, 85/1.8, and 135/2.5 a lot; the K 135/2.5 is a consistently great performer.
On the other hand, there are times my 21/3.2 or 14/2.8 get the nod, but they're for the wide field of view and deep depth of field that accompanies it.
I wish I could remember when I first heard or encounter the term "bokeh," though. . . .
Originally posted by ZombieArmy Only thing I hate about the fake bokeh are the youtubers who claim "you can't tell the difference" when I can see the difference in under a second.
Like this absolutely appalling video:
I hadn't ever watched one of these before, though I had noticed algorithmically produced "bokeh" in mobile phone images. But . . . wow, that video
truly is appalling. It wasn't hard for me to pick out which image came from the iPhone and which came from the "$7500 DSLR." (Thanks for pointing out one of those videos, ZombieArmy!)
But the thing is, it's such a fake dichotomy: "inexpensive" iPhone and "extremely expensive" DSLR. First, mobile phones can be very expensive. But DSLRs can be, and often are, less expensive than a mobile phone. And any one of those DSLRs is capable of images with bokeh.
I've got an iPod Touch, but though I use it for zoom meetings or FaceTime, what I use it for 95% of the time is music. (Lossless formats, of course.) My iPad . . . lots of things, but not photography. I know they can make very good images, but if I want to take a photo of a cat, I pick up my K-3ii with my K 35/2 or such. I don't have an iPhone, so yes, I'm a luddite.
Anyway . . . mobile phones are capable of a lot of things, and for many people the bokeh they produce is fine. But . . . I prefer the bokeh from lenses mounted on my SLRs, D or film. Because there IS a difference, and, yes, I can see the difference and know why it exists.