Black and White vs Monochrome - so there is a difference

photoptimist · 05-02-2022, 08:47 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by AggieDad

That may be true as the light ages. However, as the person ages, the color shifts become much less noticeable. I was reading this thinking "color shift?" when I realized that the effects of my age far outweigh any effects of lightbulb age.

Indeed!

The aging eye is nature's sepia toner!

(And anyone who gets cataract surgery in one eye will be shocked by how much less-yellow (= more blue) the world is with the corrected eye.)

**gump** · 05-02-2022, 10:18 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by photoptimist

Indeed!

The aging eye is nature's sepia toner!

(And anyone who gets cataract surgery in one eye will be shocked by how much less-yellow (= more blue) the world is with the corrected eye.)

Indeed! After both eyes are done it is a whole new world.

DeadJohn · 05-02-2022, 02:15 PM - **1 Like**

I'll add another word to the B&W or monochrome discussion: "panchromatic". Pan=all. Most "monochrome" sensors are really "panchrome" if we want to get pedantic.

A monochromatic sensor or film could be defined as collecting a single color. B&W film behind a color filter is monochromatic, since only one wavelength (or range of wavelengths) is being collected.

A panchromatic sensor or film detects all wavelengths. B&W film without any filter is panchrome, since light from all colors gets added up onto each pixel or grain.

Depending on how your process/print that mono- or pan- data, the final result can be B&W or tinted monochrome.

Jonathan Mac · 05-03-2022, 08:14 AM

Well, yes, technically they are different, with the meanings you've given. Personally I have never seen a monochrome photo with a colour tint that benefited from that tint - the tint always makes it worse. So, for my purposes and appreciation they are essentially the same.

**acoufap** · 05-03-2022, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

Well, yes, technically they are different, with the meanings you've given. Personally I have never seen a monochrome photo with a colour tint that benefited from that tint - the tint always makes it worse. So, for my purposes and appreciation they are essentially the same.

Psychology says that different color triggers different feelings. When the monochrome color meets and supports the photographs story the photograph should benefit from it. Just my two cents.

Michael Piziak · 05-03-2022, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Joetitch

AFAIK Henry Ford said any colour as long as it's black. (I could be wrong)��

yes, he's famous for that quote. “Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black.”

big smiles!

---------- Post added 05-03-22 at 09:14 AM ----------

Originally posted by Digitalis

If anyone has had a wife/girlfriend who owns many shoes - they will know there are many different shades of white.

Anyone that has a wife/girlfriend absolutely know there are many different shades of all colors - big smiles! I haven't met one yet that didn't have many shoes OR many purses....

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05-02-2022, 08:47 AM - 2 Likes	#16
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,983	Originally posted by AggieDad That may be true as the light ages. However, as the person ages, the color shifts become much less noticeable. I was reading this thinking "color shift?" when I realized that the effects of my age far outweigh any effects of lightbulb age. Indeed! The aging eye is nature's sepia toner! (And anyone who gets cataract surgery in one eye will be shocked by how much less-yellow (= more blue) the world is with the corrected eye.)

05-02-2022, 10:18 AM - 1 Like	#17
gump Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 866	Originally posted by photoptimist Indeed! The aging eye is nature's sepia toner! (And anyone who gets cataract surgery in one eye will be shocked by how much less-yellow (= more blue) the world is with the corrected eye.) Indeed! After both eyes are done it is a whole new world.

05-02-2022, 02:15 PM - 1 Like	#18
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,826	I'll add another word to the B&W or monochrome discussion: "panchromatic". Pan=all. Most "monochrome" sensors are really "panchrome" if we want to get pedantic. A monochromatic sensor or film could be defined as collecting a single color. B&W film behind a color filter is monochromatic, since only one wavelength (or range of wavelengths) is being collected. A panchromatic sensor or film detects all wavelengths. B&W film without any filter is panchrome, since light from all colors gets added up onto each pixel or grain. Depending on how your process/print that mono- or pan- data, the final result can be B&W or tinted monochrome.

05-03-2022, 08:14 AM	#19
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 9,735	Well, yes, technically they are different, with the meanings you've given. Personally I have never seen a monochrome photo with a colour tint that benefited from that tint - the tint always makes it worse. So, for my purposes and appreciation they are essentially the same.

05-03-2022, 08:57 AM	#20
acoufap Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Munich, Germany Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,579	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac Well, yes, technically they are different, with the meanings you've given. Personally I have never seen a monochrome photo with a colour tint that benefited from that tint - the tint always makes it worse. So, for my purposes and appreciation they are essentially the same. Psychology says that different color triggers different feelings. When the monochrome color meets and supports the photographs story the photograph should benefit from it. Just my two cents.

05-03-2022, 08:58 AM	#21
Michael Piziak Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: West Virginia Posts: 2,726 Original Poster	Originally posted by Joetitch AFAIK Henry Ford said any colour as long as it's black. (I could be wrong)�� yes, he's famous for that quote. “Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black.” big smiles! ---------- Post added 05-03-22 at 09:14 AM ---------- Originally posted by Digitalis If anyone has had a wife/girlfriend who owns many shoes - they will know there are many different shades of white. Anyone that has a wife/girlfriend absolutely know there are many different shades of all colors - big smiles! I haven't met one yet that didn't have many shoes OR many purses....

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