Originally posted by Erictator First off, great job everyone. I knew an OPEN theme would bring out some great work, and this batch exceeded even my expectations. Hard to pick a winner.
I concur with your sentiments. I'd take it further as I think we all have a personal "line" we set for ourselves, of what we will not cross before we consider taking a photo too far. I have zero problem with extensive PP so long as it is not presented as factual news in a newspaper/media reporting environment.
Everything else is Art. Especially so if the artist pre-visualized the final image before it was taken, then all the post process work is just an extension of the capture. If you are just going through photo's and say, gee that sucks as color, I'll try B&W and then you just start throwing spaghetti at it until you have something akin to an ink-blot test, well, even if it comes out cool, the artist has to live with knowing how it came to be. It's like winning a sporting event because of dumb luck. You are the one who has to look at the trophy, and the only person who knows its true value and knows how much work did or didn't go into it.
But take that thought now in the other direction. You stumble out of your car, rub the sleep dust out of your eye's, you whip out your mighty K-Maximus-Prime 40gigaquark camera out with the HDFAFL* 400mm F1.8 Fluorite Limited Tele, and with the camera in full Auto everything mode, you just happen to trip the shutter at something like a bald eagle posing perfectly for you on a a low branch and he takes flight just as you trip the trigger, and the flag across the street just happens to pick up its reflection in his eye. You decide you will quit while you are ahead, get back in the car and go home with a perfectly exposed, amazing shot that everyone will rant and rave over how awesome it is and in needed zero post processing, heck, it was even an out of camera JPG. So... here's this shot that took no thought, no work after the shot... is it better than a shot that was envisioned and took some PP to get it there? Hmmm...
Either way, you can't blame the viewers for liking the final outcome of either scenario.
Eric
YES, I agree: this was an exceptional monthly contest, and the final fifteen are the best collective group I've seen here. Sure, there are some images I wish had made the cut, but when nominations are based on what people like or what they find striking or beautiful or meaningful and . . . well, any number disparate qualifications . . . there are bound to be some photographs that don't make the cut that some people would argue should have been there.
News and photojournalism: there are things that can be dealt with in post, but extensive PP--creating an image by cutting distracting elements, or adding those to create more tension or interest, or any number of things that involve "photoshopping"--can, and
should, cost photojournalists their jobs. And
has. (Too bad the same standards can't be applied to those with a political axe to grind who think the end justifies the means. But that sort of thing went on back when everyone worked with film, long before the digital environment existed. The dishonest and unethical are always with us. . . .)
I like your two extreme examples; they made me chuckle, which is always a good thing in the morning. I mean, each example is crafted for its ludicrous nature . . . nice.
And, when it comes down to it, people judging contests with no other guidelines than "does it fit the category?" and "was it shot with a Pentax or Ricoh?" are bound to let personal tastes, whatever, inform their choices. And that may very well include the viewer's response to post-processing, or even the suggestion of post-processing.
That said . . . I think this particular "open" contest yielded a particularly strong crop of finalists.
Now, more coffee. . . .