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**clackers** · 10-29-2014, 02:54 AM

Interesting that a new Japanese member linked to this review by a photographer who thinks that at least with his 35mm lens, the high ISO performance was between one and two stops superior to the K-3. Only the 645Z waa better, in his opinion:

http://thisistanaka.blog66.fc2.com/entry/890/

So, yes, you might have to touch a button to toggle the single e-dial between aperture and shutter speed, but you can get some pretty good pictures!

Last edited by clackers; 10-29-2014 at 03:04 AM.

RonHendriks1966 · 10-29-2014, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by clackers

Interesting that a new Japanese member linked to this review by a photographer who thinks that at least with his 35mm lens, the high ISO performance was between one and two stops superior to the K-3. Only the 645Z waa better, in his opinion:

This sounds a little optimistic, but one stop could be possible. Some how I don't think so, since it's 12-bit RAW. Maybe they study jpg's with noise reduction in the camera.

For hi iso my K-5 wins over K-3 and K-5 wins over K-01, but havent looked serious in to K-01 versus K-3 since I use the camera for different things.

At base iso (so iso 100-200) the K-3 has lots of extra detail while the K-5 (at iso 80) has extra dynamic range. I gues the K-S1 will bring the extra detail aswell. The K-01 has stunning IQ at base iso, but does not stand out in any way to the others, just very good dynamic range and detail and delivers extra crisp sharpness compared to my K-5 (less filter infront of the sensor), but not to the K-3 (or probably the K-5 IIs).

**monochrome** · 10-29-2014, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by JoshC

I don't need to be diplomatic to a troll. Maybe instead of posting 16,000 posts to a forum without donating anything he should go actually shoot.

Oh dear. Here it comes. I'm afraid Pentax did something good so the wreckers have to show up.

**clackers** · 10-29-2014, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Maybe they study jpg's with noise reduction in the camera.

Very possible, Ron, even allowing for poor translation, no methodology is given, just impressions. That's blogs for ya!

Last edited by clackers; 10-29-2014 at 04:18 AM.

**luftfluss** · 10-29-2014, 04:54 AM

Hey Clackers, what's your opinion of the handling of the K-S1 + 50-135 combo?

I really like your 2nd shot, composition is excellent.

Parallax · 10-29-2014, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by clackers

(Laughs)

I'm the OP, I believe you came into *my* front yard.

Guys, how do I shut this down myself????

No need to shut it down. My crystal ball tells me he won't be posting in this thread again.

IchabodCrane · 10-29-2014, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

No need to shut it down. My crystal ball tells me he won't be posting in this thread again.

Thank you.

AtitG · 10-29-2014, 06:36 AM

Hello clackers, how do you find the autofocus performance of the K-s1 against your K-30? especially in low light. Thanks.

cali92rs · 10-29-2014, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by clackers

As requested, some high ISO images, all OoC JPGs, only cropped.

Usual disclaimer: Any missed focuses, underexposures, shots of the ground or pained expressions on the faces of subjects are due to the camera, not the person operating it.

Sigma 10-20mm, 1/2 s, f10, ISO3200:

DA* 50-135mm, f2.8, 1/100s, ISO6400:

DA* 50-135mm, f2.8. 1/80s. ISO6400:

Shots look clean, but with quite a bit of NR applied. Were these taken with the default NR settings?

Clothears · 10-29-2014, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by JoshC

As a photographer what's any of that matter to me? Half the battery life, not as professional looking, 4mp doesn't really mean much, slower shutter speed, no weather sealing. I'm not sure who pentax thinks they are targeting but if they are targeting kids, amateurs then they are not going to be looking to go with Pentax, they will look at name first and Pentax wont be on their radar.

Pentax needs to appeal to professionals. Specifically since they have decent ISO, DR, SS and other features going on for them they need to target the Canon and Nikon users who aren't getting everything they want. If they want to do that then they need touch screens, wifi, articulating screens and FF line up that crop users can expect to move into down the road.

I don't need most of this rubbish that you seem to demand. Mostly what I need is what my Pentax film cameras did without wasting time on stuff like touch screens, wifi, articulating screens. Pentax is certainly on my radar as we have glass here and some of it dates back 30 years. Meaning that the K-S1 is a good bet, if the price comes down a bit and I can persuade the finance committee that she needs to retire the K100D Super.

Parallax · 10-29-2014, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Clothears

and I can persuade the finance committee

I refer to mine as the NO! department.

stevebrot · 10-29-2014, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

No need to shut it down. My crystal ball tells me he won't be posting in this thread again.

Does that mean it is safe to come out now?

I am sorry that things turned ugly, but it was not really my intent to bait or troll anyone, though I did think it inappropriate to sling mud at a product in a thread dedicated to celebration of a users recent purchase.

He does have a point though. 16,000+ posts and no contribution.

Steve

(...I do prefer "Pentaxian" to "Site Supporter"...I wonder if I can have both?)

**monochrome** · 10-29-2014, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Does that mean it is safe to come out now?

I am sorry that things turned ugly, but it was not really my intent to bait or troll anyone, though I did think it inappropriate to sling mud at a product in a thread dedicated to celebration of a users recent purchase.

He does have a point though. 16,000+ posts and no contribution.

I have seen you r'contribution' on the Sightseeing Screwmount thread.

Originally posted by stevebrot

Steve

(...I do prefer "Pentaxian" to "Site Supporter"...I wonder if I can have both?)

Yes - under certain conditions. A Loyal Site Supporter may customize that entry.

**THoog** · 10-29-2014, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Does that mean it is safe to come out now?

I am sorry that things turned ugly, but it was not really my intent to bait or troll anyone, though I did think it inappropriate to sling mud at a product in a thread dedicated to celebration of a users recent purchase.

He does have a point though. 16,000+ posts and no contribution.

Steve

(...I do prefer "Pentaxian" to "Site Supporter"...I wonder if I can have both?)

If Adam does the Black Friday special again (was it BF? I forget.), you can jump to Loyal Site Supporter and customize your title.

Edit: Oops, too slow.

**luftfluss** · 10-29-2014, 12:12 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

Does that mean it is safe to come out now?

I am sorry that things turned ugly, but it was not really my intent to bait or troll anyone, though I did think it inappropriate to sling mud at a product in a thread dedicated to celebration of a users recent purchase.

He does have a point though. 16,000+ posts and no contribution.

Steve

(...I do prefer "Pentaxian" to "Site Supporter"...I wonder if I can have both?)

What about your contributions in terms of information, level-headedness, and easy-going, good-humored nature?

10-29-2014, 10:15 AM	#70
Clothears Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canterbury Posts: 170	Originally posted by JoshC As a photographer what's any of that matter to me? Half the battery life, not as professional looking, 4mp doesn't really mean much, slower shutter speed, no weather sealing. I'm not sure who pentax thinks they are targeting but if they are targeting kids, amateurs then they are not going to be looking to go with Pentax, they will look at name first and Pentax wont be on their radar. Pentax needs to appeal to professionals. Specifically since they have decent ISO, DR, SS and other features going on for them they need to target the Canon and Nikon users who aren't getting everything they want. If they want to do that then they need touch screens, wifi, articulating screens and FF line up that crop users can expect to move into down the road. I don't need most of this rubbish that you seem to demand. Mostly what I need is what my Pentax film cameras did without wasting time on stuff like touch screens, wifi, articulating screens. Pentax is certainly on my radar as we have glass here and some of it dates back 30 years. Meaning that the K-S1 is a good bet, if the price comes down a bit and I can persuade the finance committee that she needs to retire the K100D Super. Last edited by Clothears; 10-29-2014 at 10:21 AM.

10-29-2014, 12:10 PM	#73
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by stevebrot Does that mean it is safe to come out now? I am sorry that things turned ugly, but it was not really my intent to bait or troll anyone, though I did think it inappropriate to sling mud at a product in a thread dedicated to celebration of a users recent purchase. He does have a point though. 16,000+ posts and no contribution. I have seen you r'contribution' on the Sightseeing Screwmount thread. Originally posted by stevebrot Steve (...I do prefer "Pentaxian" to "Site Supporter"...I wonder if I can have both?) Yes - under certain conditions. A Loyal Site Supporter may customize that entry. Last edited by monochrome; 10-29-2014 at 03:26 PM.

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10-29-2014, 02:54 AM	#61
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397 Original Poster	Interesting that a new Japanese member linked to this review by a photographer who thinks that at least with his 35mm lens, the high ISO performance was between one and two stops superior to the K-3. Only the 645Z waa better, in his opinion: http://thisistanaka.blog66.fc2.com/entry/890/ So, yes, you might have to touch a button to toggle the single e-dial between aperture and shutter speed, but you can get some pretty good pictures! Last edited by clackers; 10-29-2014 at 03:04 AM.

10-29-2014, 03:51 AM	#62
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by clackers Interesting that a new Japanese member linked to this review by a photographer who thinks that at least with his 35mm lens, the high ISO performance was between one and two stops superior to the K-3. Only the 645Z waa better, in his opinion: This sounds a little optimistic, but one stop could be possible. Some how I don't think so, since it's 12-bit RAW. Maybe they study jpg's with noise reduction in the camera. For hi iso my K-5 wins over K-3 and K-5 wins over K-01, but havent looked serious in to K-01 versus K-3 since I use the camera for different things. At base iso (so iso 100-200) the K-3 has lots of extra detail while the K-5 (at iso 80) has extra dynamic range. I gues the K-S1 will bring the extra detail aswell. The K-01 has stunning IQ at base iso, but does not stand out in any way to the others, just very good dynamic range and detail and delivers extra crisp sharpness compared to my K-5 (less filter infront of the sensor), but not to the K-3 (or probably the K-5 IIs).

10-29-2014, 04:06 AM	#63
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by JoshC I don't need to be diplomatic to a troll. Maybe instead of posting 16,000 posts to a forum without donating anything he should go actually shoot. Oh dear. Here it comes. I'm afraid Pentax did something good so the wreckers have to show up.

10-29-2014, 04:10 AM	#64
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397 Original Poster	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Maybe they study jpg's with noise reduction in the camera. Very possible, Ron, even allowing for poor translation, no methodology is given, just impressions. That's blogs for ya! Last edited by clackers; 10-29-2014 at 04:18 AM.

10-29-2014, 04:54 AM	#65
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,628	Hey Clackers, what's your opinion of the handling of the K-S1 + 50-135 combo? I really like your 2nd shot, composition is excellent.

10-29-2014, 05:04 AM	#66
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by clackers (Laughs) I'm the OP, I believe you came into my front yard. Guys, how do I shut this down myself???? No need to shut it down. My crystal ball tells me he won't be posting in this thread again.

10-29-2014, 06:09 AM	#67
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by Parallax No need to shut it down. My crystal ball tells me he won't be posting in this thread again. Thank you.

10-29-2014, 06:36 AM	#68
AtitG Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 269	Hello clackers, how do you find the autofocus performance of the K-s1 against your K-30? especially in low light. Thanks.

10-29-2014, 08:32 AM	#69
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by clackers As requested, some high ISO images, all OoC JPGs, only cropped. Usual disclaimer: Any missed focuses, underexposures, shots of the ground or pained expressions on the faces of subjects are due to the camera, not the person operating it. Sigma 10-20mm, 1/2 s, f10, ISO3200: DA* 50-135mm, f2.8, 1/100s, ISO6400: DA* 50-135mm, f2.8. 1/80s. ISO6400: Shots look clean, but with quite a bit of NR applied. Were these taken with the default NR settings?

10-29-2014, 10:42 AM	#71
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by Clothears and I can persuade the finance committee I refer to mine as the NO! department.

10-29-2014, 12:05 PM	#72
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Parallax No need to shut it down. My crystal ball tells me he won't be posting in this thread again. Does that mean it is safe to come out now? I am sorry that things turned ugly, but it was not really my intent to bait or troll anyone, though I did think it inappropriate to sling mud at a product in a thread dedicated to celebration of a users recent purchase. He does have a point though. 16,000+ posts and no contribution. Steve (...I do prefer "Pentaxian" to "Site Supporter"...I wonder if I can have both?)

10-29-2014, 12:11 PM	#74
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by stevebrot Does that mean it is safe to come out now? I am sorry that things turned ugly, but it was not really my intent to bait or troll anyone, though I did think it inappropriate to sling mud at a product in a thread dedicated to celebration of a users recent purchase. He does have a point though. 16,000+ posts and no contribution. Steve (...I do prefer "Pentaxian" to "Site Supporter"...I wonder if I can have both?) If Adam does the Black Friday special again (was it BF? I forget.), you can jump to Loyal Site Supporter and customize your title. Edit: Oops, too slow.

10-29-2014, 12:12 PM - 1 Like	#75
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,628	Originally posted by stevebrot Does that mean it is safe to come out now? I am sorry that things turned ugly, but it was not really my intent to bait or troll anyone, though I did think it inappropriate to sling mud at a product in a thread dedicated to celebration of a users recent purchase. He does have a point though. 16,000+ posts and no contribution. Steve (...I do prefer "Pentaxian" to "Site Supporter"...I wonder if I can have both?) What about your contributions in terms of information, level-headedness, and easy-going, good-humored nature?

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