K-S1 scores on DxOMark

RonHendriks1966 · 11-06-2014, 07:33 AM

I think that is a good score. It is about the same as the K-01 (wich is my reference) and that is a great camera. The one point difference can be neglected. This sensor might have an itch in scoring when it was pared to the 14-bit PRIME III engine that runs in the K-3. But in general it concludes that:

For APS-C with current technology the 16 megapixel sensor is top!

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/274523-so-16-megapixel-enough.html

---------- Post added 06-11-14 at 15:35 ----------

Originally posted by JPT

Pentax/Ricoh always said the sensor used in the K-01/K-30/K-50/K-500 was different from the K-5 sensor. A lot of people didn't believe them and just assumed they were the same because they were the same resolution and maker.

I think this 20mp sensor is the successor to the low-end 16mp sensor first seen in the K-01 and the 24mp sensor is the successor to the high-end 16mp sensor in the K-5 series. I imagine there is a difference in component cost between the two. Fortunately, they are all very good performers.

According to mtngal, the K-S1's files are easier to deal with than the K-3's, which makes sense on a relatively cheap, entry-level body.

They are different, at least different sensor-modules, since the 14-bit and 12-bit setting is done on the sensor and thus that makes the sensormodule different.

6BQ5 · 11-06-2014, 01:17 PM

The sensor system (HW and FW) in the K-01/K-30/etc is long running, finely tuned device. How many years was it offered? I hope that the 20MP sensor system in the K-S1 will be refined over time as well. Let the dynamic range slowly climb. Let the noise levels slowly fall. Eventually the gap between my K-30 and the current tech will be large enough to warrant an upgrade.

Yep, I agree that 16 MP is perfect for APS. Large photo sites, low noise, etc. I think a 24 MP full frame sensor is the next sweet spot. The Sony A7 seems to indicate that.

ogl · 11-07-2014, 11:32 AM

ogl · 11-07-2014, 11:35 AM

with K-50 and K-01

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ogl · 11-07-2014, 11:40 AM

with Nikon

Fogel70 · 11-08-2014, 12:21 AM

With Canon

Fogel70 · 11-08-2014, 12:22 AM

With Sony

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ogl · 11-08-2014, 03:11 AM

Sony DSLR line is almost closed. Canon APS-C models are always junk.

**interested_observer** · 11-08-2014, 03:41 AM

I do wish that Pentax would combine the K3 AF and WB featurs (in fact all the K3's new improved features) into the K5IIs body and sensor. The 14 bit pixel depth, along with the ISO 80, and the excellent higher ISO / low noise - and possible issue the K5III or K5x or whatever. There are a lot of folks that like the 16 bit sensor. They seem to be keeping the K5IIs and the K3's price is coming close to the K5IIs. There is a lot more that can be done here - without having to go backwards in terms of sensor - coupled with more MPs. Just my rant....

rawr · 11-08-2014, 04:05 AM

Poor Canon. They don't seem to be going anywhere.
They should sell their camera division to Samsung or someone.

**Rondec** · 11-08-2014, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Poor Canon. They don't seem to be going anywhere.
They should sell their camera division to Samsung or someone.

Are you being sarcastic?

I don't think anybody except a few professional landscape photographers and online geeks pays attention to DXO Mark ratings when it comes to buying a camera. And currently Canon is king of the really cheap, crappy made SLR -- and they sell bunches of them.

rawr · 11-08-2014, 05:38 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rondec

Are you being sarcastic?

Maybe a little

ogl · 11-08-2014, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Are you being sarcastic?

I don't think anybody except a few professional landscape photographers and online geeks pays attention to DXO Mark ratings when it comes to buying a camera. And currently Canon is king of the really cheap, crappy made SLR -- and they sell bunches of them.

No...falconeyes from DPREVIEW forum

phoenix15 wrote:
Do you actually believe that Canon sensor is so bad, that even after 5 years they can't keep up with Sony sensor ?

Yes and it is both a well established fact and well understood too.
The reason is Canon still runs their old tech fab (Canon isn't fabless) which enforces design rules which don't allow to bring read noise down to levels possible with more recent design rules. To build a new fab is an enormous investment even for companies as big as Canon as a whole.

---------- Post added 11-08-2014 at 11:28 AM ----------

Canon should invest R&D money into new sensor technology, it's a fact that Canon's sensor technology is worse than Sony and even than Samsung now.

**monochrome** · 11-08-2014, 11:49 AM

de-boriscleto™?

Nah.

Fogel70 · 11-08-2014, 12:01 PM

My Pentax K-7 is actually worse than Canon 1200D.

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11-06-2014, 07:33 AM	#16
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	I think that is a good score. It is about the same as the K-01 (wich is my reference) and that is a great camera. The one point difference can be neglected. This sensor might have an itch in scoring when it was pared to the 14-bit PRIME III engine that runs in the K-3. But in general it concludes that: For APS-C with current technology the 16 megapixel sensor is top! https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/274523-so-16-megapixel-enough.html ---------- Post added 06-11-14 at 15:35 ---------- Originally posted by JPT Pentax/Ricoh always said the sensor used in the K-01/K-30/K-50/K-500 was different from the K-5 sensor. A lot of people didn't believe them and just assumed they were the same because they were the same resolution and maker. I think this 20mp sensor is the successor to the low-end 16mp sensor first seen in the K-01 and the 24mp sensor is the successor to the high-end 16mp sensor in the K-5 series. I imagine there is a difference in component cost between the two. Fortunately, they are all very good performers. According to mtngal, the K-S1's files are easier to deal with than the K-3's, which makes sense on a relatively cheap, entry-level body. They are different, at least different sensor-modules, since the 14-bit and 12-bit setting is done on the sensor and thus that makes the sensormodule different.

11-06-2014, 01:17 PM	#17
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348 Original Poster	The sensor system (HW and FW) in the K-01/K-30/etc is long running, finely tuned device. How many years was it offered? I hope that the 20MP sensor system in the K-S1 will be refined over time as well. Let the dynamic range slowly climb. Let the noise levels slowly fall. Eventually the gap between my K-30 and the current tech will be large enough to warrant an upgrade. Yep, I agree that 16 MP is perfect for APS. Large photo sites, low noise, etc. I think a 24 MP full frame sensor is the next sweet spot. The Sony A7 seems to indicate that.

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11-08-2014, 03:11 AM	#23
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Sony DSLR line is almost closed. Canon APS-C models are always junk.

11-08-2014, 03:41 AM	#24
interested_observer Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tumbleweed, Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,707	I do wish that Pentax would combine the K3 AF and WB featurs (in fact all the K3's new improved features) into the K5IIs body and sensor. The 14 bit pixel depth, along with the ISO 80, and the excellent higher ISO / low noise - and possible issue the K5III or K5x or whatever. There are a lot of folks that like the 16 bit sensor. They seem to be keeping the K5IIs and the K3's price is coming close to the K5IIs. There is a lot more that can be done here - without having to go backwards in terms of sensor - coupled with more MPs. Just my rant....

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rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Poor Canon. They don't seem to be going anywhere. They should sell their camera division to Samsung or someone.

11-08-2014, 04:31 AM	#26
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by rawr Poor Canon. They don't seem to be going anywhere. They should sell their camera division to Samsung or someone. Are you being sarcastic? I don't think anybody except a few professional landscape photographers and online geeks pays attention to DXO Mark ratings when it comes to buying a camera. And currently Canon is king of the really cheap, crappy made SLR -- and they sell bunches of them.

11-08-2014, 05:38 AM - 1 Like	#27
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Rondec Are you being sarcastic? Maybe a little

11-08-2014, 11:26 AM	#28
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Rondec Are you being sarcastic? I don't think anybody except a few professional landscape photographers and online geeks pays attention to DXO Mark ratings when it comes to buying a camera. And currently Canon is king of the really cheap, crappy made SLR -- and they sell bunches of them. No...falconeyes from DPREVIEW forum phoenix15 wrote: Do you actually believe that Canon sensor is so bad, that even after 5 years they can't keep up with Sony sensor ? Yes and it is both a well established fact and well understood too. The reason is Canon still runs their old tech fab (Canon isn't fabless) which enforces design rules which don't allow to bring read noise down to levels possible with more recent design rules. To build a new fab is an enormous investment even for companies as big as Canon as a whole. ---------- Post added 11-08-2014 at 11:28 AM ---------- Canon should invest R&D money into new sensor technology, it's a fact that Canon's sensor technology is worse than Sony and even than Samsung now.

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	de-boriscleto™? Nah.

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Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	My Pentax K-7 is actually worse than Canon 1200D.