Help! K1 hot shoe came off (warning: k1 gore)

**bigoak** · 11-25-2017, 10:46 AM - **1 Like**

So this happened.

Anybody encounter this before? Any idea how much this will cost to repair?

Had no idea such a "robust" camera was so delicate. Beware of your hot shoes!

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**Madaboutpix** · 11-25-2017, 10:59 AM

OMG!!

How on earth did that happen? Sorry, 'fraid I can't help you about the repair costs. Probably a case for sending in to Maerz (the German service partner of Ricoh Imaging Germany) and asking for a quote:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.de/de/reparaturservice-kompakt.html

Best of luck!!

AldaCZ · 11-25-2017, 11:02 AM

has it fallen ?

**bigoak** · 11-25-2017, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by AldaCZ

has it fallen ?

it didn't fall. Had a 360ftx II mounted on it during Oktoberfest, noticed one side had come up (read my post history). While still functional, today the whole top just kind of, came off at some point. If you look carefully, you can see how little is holding the hot shoe to the thin plastic underneath.

Thanks I'll be sending it to Hamburg next week.

**ffking** · 11-25-2017, 12:13 PM

I guess that's the price we pay for the thin plastic housing for the GPS - a big flash on the hot shoe, for instance, could exert quite a substantial leverage on the footing if it were knocked, and maybe the plastic isn't up to it - a useful lesson, sorry you had to learn it the hard way for the rest of us!

biz-engineer · 11-25-2017, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by ffking

a big flash on the hot shoe, for instance, could exert quite a substantial leverage on the footing if it were knocked, and maybe the plastic isn't up to it

That's also my understanding. But the tilt screen is super strong!

**ffking** · 11-25-2017, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

But the tilt screen is super strong!

It is - but the struts and the rails they run on are metal, and the rails are probably part of the chassis

rawr · 11-25-2017, 06:12 PM

Sad!

Do you have a non-blurry image of the damaged hot-shoe?

I'm interested in the structure of the hot-shoe mount.

**monochrome** · 11-25-2017, 08:13 PM

I know a Nikon shooter who was in the habit of laying his D810 with a Speedlite mounted on it’s left side, propped on the top left of the flash. Someone unwittingly leaned on a hand behind himself, not aware the camera was on the counter, and the flash shoe separated from the top plate. I don’t believe a camera is designed for that lateral stress.

The repair was a simple top plate assembly replacement.

biz-engineer · 11-25-2017, 11:51 PM

The Nikon version is here:
Ouch! Broken D90 Hotshoe!: Nikon DX SLR (D40-D90, D3000-D7500) Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

**bigoak** · 11-26-2017, 03:24 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rawr

Sad!

Do you have a non-blurry image of the damaged hot-shoe?

I'm interested in the structure of the hot-shoe mount.

you know, I had something that could take clear macro pictures... 😉

Best I can get:

biz-engineer · 11-26-2017, 04:03 AM

Thanks for the detailed picture. It looks like the hot-shoe is screwed on a thin layer of the plastic of the outer camera shell.

**bigoak** · 11-26-2017, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Thanks for the detailed picture. It looks like the hot-shoe is screwed on a thin layer of the plastic of the outer camera shell.

first big design flaw I've noticed. Hopefully the mk ii addresses this.

If it makes sense, I'll get it repaired. If I get "Sony level" service, I'll be selling my gear and migrating to another system. This would break my heart, I've fallen in love with Pentax!

**Alex645** · 11-26-2017, 05:02 AM

Did the flash sustain any damage? I've seen dozens of flash shoes break but never the hot shoe peel off. If there is a 'design flaw', I would blame more the robust construction of the 360ftx II that should have broken before enough force would damage the camera.

For years I only used handle-mounted flash units, but those are no longer an affordable option (or compatible with P-TTL).

You would switch systems from a camera you love over this and the repair level service? What would you replace it with and do you know they have better speed, price, and quality of repairs?

pakinjapan · 11-26-2017, 05:03 AM

The plastic looks really thin!
Befor switch a system, I wonder if you can post it on their fb pages both US and Japan asking for their explanation, and see what they can offer you. Looking from your photo, I couldn't agree more, it is a design flaw.

Originally posted by bigoak

first big design flaw I've noticed. Hopefully the mk ii addresses this.

If it makes sense, I'll get it repaired. If I get "Sony level" service, I'll be selling my gear and migrating to another system. This would break my heart, I've fallen in love with Pentax!

11-25-2017, 10:59 AM	#2
Madaboutpix Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Rhine-Westphalia Posts: 1,438	OMG!! How on earth did that happen? Sorry, 'fraid I can't help you about the repair costs. Probably a case for sending in to Maerz (the German service partner of Ricoh Imaging Germany) and asking for a quote: http://www.ricoh-imaging.de/de/reparaturservice-kompakt.html Best of luck!! Last edited by Madaboutpix; 11-25-2017 at 11:08 AM.

11-25-2017, 12:35 PM	#6
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	Originally posted by ffking a big flash on the hot shoe, for instance, could exert quite a substantial leverage on the footing if it were knocked, and maybe the plastic isn't up to it That's also my understanding. But the tilt screen is super strong! Last edited by biz-engineer; 11-25-2017 at 12:57 PM.

11-26-2017, 03:24 AM - 1 Like	#11
bigoak Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Bayern Photos: Albums Posts: 186 Original Poster	Originally posted by rawr Sad! Do you have a non-blurry image of the damaged hot-shoe? I'm interested in the structure of the hot-shoe mount. you know, I had something that could take clear macro pictures... 😉 Best I can get: Attached Images

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bigoak Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Bayern Photos: Albums Posts: 186 Original Poster	Originally posted by AldaCZ has it fallen ? it didn't fall. Had a 360ftx II mounted on it during Oktoberfest, noticed one side had come up (read my post history). While still functional, today the whole top just kind of, came off at some point. If you look carefully, you can see how little is holding the hot shoe to the thin plastic underneath. Thanks I'll be sending it to Hamburg next week.

11-25-2017, 12:13 PM	#5
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	I guess that's the price we pay for the thin plastic housing for the GPS - a big flash on the hot shoe, for instance, could exert quite a substantial leverage on the footing if it were knocked, and maybe the plastic isn't up to it - a useful lesson, sorry you had to learn it the hard way for the rest of us!

11-25-2017, 01:04 PM	#7
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by biz-engineer But the tilt screen is super strong! It is - but the struts and the rails they run on are metal, and the rails are probably part of the chassis

11-25-2017, 06:12 PM	#8
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Sad! Do you have a non-blurry image of the damaged hot-shoe? I'm interested in the structure of the hot-shoe mount.

11-25-2017, 08:13 PM	#9
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	I know a Nikon shooter who was in the habit of laying his D810 with a Speedlite mounted on it’s left side, propped on the top left of the flash. Someone unwittingly leaned on a hand behind himself, not aware the camera was on the counter, and the flash shoe separated from the top plate. I don’t believe a camera is designed for that lateral stress. The repair was a simple top plate assembly replacement.

11-25-2017, 11:51 PM	#10
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	The Nikon version is here: Ouch! Broken D90 Hotshoe!: Nikon DX SLR (D40-D90, D3000-D7500) Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

11-26-2017, 04:03 AM	#12
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	Thanks for the detailed picture. It looks like the hot-shoe is screwed on a thin layer of the plastic of the outer camera shell.

11-26-2017, 04:36 AM	#13
bigoak Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Bayern Photos: Albums Posts: 186 Original Poster	Originally posted by biz-engineer Thanks for the detailed picture. It looks like the hot-shoe is screwed on a thin layer of the plastic of the outer camera shell. first big design flaw I've noticed. Hopefully the mk ii addresses this. If it makes sense, I'll get it repaired. If I get "Sony level" service, I'll be selling my gear and migrating to another system. This would break my heart, I've fallen in love with Pentax!

11-26-2017, 05:02 AM	#14
Alex645 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Kaneohe, HI Photos: Albums Posts: 3,526	Did the flash sustain any damage? I've seen dozens of flash shoes break but never the hot shoe peel off. If there is a 'design flaw', I would blame more the robust construction of the 360ftx II that should have broken before enough force would damage the camera. For years I only used handle-mounted flash units, but those are no longer an affordable option (or compatible with P-TTL). You would switch systems from a camera you love over this and the repair level service? What would you replace it with and do you know they have better speed, price, and quality of repairs?

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11-26-2017, 05:03 AM	#15
pakinjapan Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,041	The plastic looks really thin! Befor switch a system, I wonder if you can post it on their fb pages both US and Japan asking for their explanation, and see what they can offer you. Looking from your photo, I couldn't agree more, it is a design flaw. Originally posted by bigoak first big design flaw I've noticed. Hopefully the mk ii addresses this. If it makes sense, I'll get it repaired. If I get "Sony level" service, I'll be selling my gear and migrating to another system. This would break my heart, I've fallen in love with Pentax!